Feedback: Levelling EXP for secondary Jobs

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Originally Posted by Aussiedai84

(less complicated and more balanced - for DPS)

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Unfortunately, as players shape the party composition, DPS will always get the shaft for these kinds of things. There's no real fix for it other than to provide multi-role for all classes, even then.. most people will STILL queue as dps anyway so it doesn't really help the cause.

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Originally Posted by Aussiedai84

I got 2 levels in about an hour and a half last night so going on that rate it would take me aprox 19 days to level one additional class. That means I can do nothing but level an additional class when I play. SO say I play half my time on a main half on a second class. That means about 38 days for ONE alt so if you wanted to get all classes up that's an additional 9 (battle classes not including DoL or DoH) from the one main you have. Thats 342 days to level all classes at a casual rate and that's not even playing those new classes at max level once you level them. That is crazy! I dont understand why people think that is ok when an expansion only last 2 years.

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Why are you so hell bent on leveling all your classes to 50? Look around you, most people don't have that goal. If you have a personal goal to reach that, well then you should be prepared for the long journey.
Look at WoW, what you're trying to accomplish is basically having level 100 Warrior, Rogue, Hunter, Mage, Shaman, Paladin, Druid, Death Knight. That kind endeavor WILL take you over a year if you only have 2 hours to play each day.. Why do you expect FF14 to be any quicker?

So you log on, and you're worried you have to choose between leveling an alt job, or playing your main doing other things.. I understand that you can only do one or the other, well then choose one you enjoy the most, don't make playing the game a chore for yourself..

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Originally Posted by Aussiedai84

Hunt logs take a whole 5 - 10 mins and dont give that much exp. No side quests left. Times I am on aren't when there are heaps of FC people on unfortunately which is fine but once again brings you back to grinding fates. This also bring me back to what was originally said. There needs to be something else to fill that gap of Main quests that doesn't rely so heavily on fates and dungeons.Either increase the EXP so you aren't sitting around doing nothing and grinding fates till you brain hurts or or introduce dailies ( like beast tribes) for lower levels. I know some of you are saying Leve are dailies but then remove the allowance limit (so you can do 6 - 10 per class, job etc) rather than 6 per day across an entire account. Some of you are fine with the grind of fates etc and each to their own but there are those who would like to level an alt in under 4 + weeks without being stuck behind these said issues. Some of you have plenty of time to do these things, but, I can tell you right now if you limit your game time to 2 hours a day for 2 months you will soon get sick of the limited things you can do in a day/ you will then start to weigh up if it is worth paying the subscription because you cant experience a lot of the things the game has to offer. From a business perspective - Why keep such a large portion of the game from paying customers who don't have 5+ hours a day to spend on it. I am not asking for instant 50's or free gear just an easier (less complicated and more balanced - for DPS), more streamlined way to level alts for casual players. These sort of things can put people off the game all because the elitist think it is fine how it is. God forbid they make something a little bit more accessible to a wider audience who are also paying the same amount as you just have less time on their hands. I got 2 levels in about an hour and a half last night so going on that rate it would take me aprox 19 days to level one additional class. That means I can do nothing but level an additional class when I play. SO say I play half my time on a main half on a second class. That means about 38 days for ONE alt so if you wanted to get all classes up that's an additional 9 (battle classes not including DoL or DoH) from the one main you have. Thats 342 days to level all classes at a casual rate and that's not even playing those new classes at max level once you level them. That is crazy! I dont understand why people think that is ok when an expansion only last 2 years.

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That's because getting everything to 50 is a hardcore goal.
It's one of those things people do because they have a lot of time or they're dedicated to completing and trying everything out.
You're obviously not the former but you seem to want to game to change to suit that.

I think it's fair. You got 2 levels in an hour and a half, that's reasonable progression.
And it could be more too, so I don't think leveling in this game is based on a hardcore crowd. Most other MMOs don't even give you a level in an hour an a half.
This even gives you something decent to accomplish for a long term plan, why is that bad?

As GenJoe said, if you're being burnt out then maybe you should take a break from leveling alts and focus on your main (if you find leveling such a chore).
I like having a lot of 50's but I don't understand why you act like it's something you need to get done so quickly.


With all that said, you should at least be happy to know there was an interview with Yoshida.
It sounds like we'll get double exp gains after the expac comes out for lower levels.
That might not fit your need for streamlined questing (I actually find the lack of it refreshing, with so many other options) but it will make it faster.

In the interview with Yoshida he states the Double EXP points are for main scenario. This still doesn't help with leveling a second Job.

What makes may Drg still lvl 30 is DPS queue.
Hunting log... Hmmm.. Where is the god damn monster?

So far fate is enjoyable but can't summon companion while queuing, so I will not queue while fate.

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

What makes may Drg still lvl 30 is DPS queue.
Hunting log... Hmmm.. Where is the god damn monster?

So far fate is enjoyable but can't summon companion while queuing, so I will not queue while fate.

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Dear grasshopper...
That being said, why do you refuse to believe the that yo ucan get exp outside of FATEs and dungeons?

Wow, I had to check when this topic was made because leveling is now WAY easier and faster than it used to be.

Dungeons actually give decent exp now, AND we have the low level roulette.

Fates also give loads of exp if you don't want to queue for dungeons.

Maybe you are just impatient? It's already easy to level, how fast do you want it to be?

Edit: and yes, I do have all classes at 50 - roulette, hunting log, guild hests and extra dungeons + rested exp is very efficient, plus fating in the good places at the appropriate level (costa, coerthas, northern thanalan).

Yeah, it takes time, but it's a big goal!

Here's a very structured way to level any secondary combat class to 50.

Plan A.
1. Do daily low-level roulette.
2. Wait for tomorrow and go to #1.

Plan B.
1. Do level appropriate leve.
2. If allowance > 0, go to #1. Else wait for allowance then go to #1.

Plan C.
1. Queue the highest level possible dungeon.
2. Go to #1.

Plan D.
1. Do level appropriate FATEs.
2. Go to #1.

Plan E.
1. Choose what you feel like doing from Plan A-D. Do it.
2. Go to #1.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Dear grasshopper...
That being said, why do you refuse to believe the that yo ucan get exp outside of FATEs and dungeons?

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Leve mainly for my DOH & DOL...
Guildhest is boring I will queue it once a day for bonus...

I wish they put more quest for me to lvl my other class, and I don't like the queue popup while I'm in conversation with npc or in the middle of cutscene. I will queue if I craft for levequest or do nothing... So far lvling Tank & healer is the easiest with Dungeon but repetitive... also boring. It might be take an ages for me to lvl other class.

Once Heavensward coming out, player can go low lvl dungeon with less party member and remove sync.
I hope I can leech exp by asking my friends to party with me and zerg fest ha ha ha ha.

One strange question I have to ask the OP: What do you plan on DOING with your jobs once they're all 50? Do you plan on playing them all? If not, then why rush them all to 50? Take your time with them and have fun playing. Don't burn yourself out. If you do plan on playing them all, sadly that isn't as feasible as it sounds. No matter what, you're still going to have to choose one main job to gear with the highest item level while the rest get geared with the next highest item level.

Nobody is going to think you're gimped because you don't have everything at 50. Just make sure you have the appropriate cross class skills for your job.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

One strange question I have to ask the OP: What do you plan on DOING with your jobs once they're all 50? Do you plan on playing them all? If not, then why rush them all to 50? Take your time with them and have fun playing. Don't burn yourself out. If you do plan on playing them all, sadly that isn't as feasible as it sounds. No matter what, you're still going to have to choose one main job to gear with the highest item level while the rest get geared with the next highest item level.

Nobody is going to think you're gimped because you don't have everything at 50. Just make sure you have the appropriate cross class skills for your job.

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I don't plan on playing them all all the time, but you might level a class get to 50 then realise if wasnt as you expected or you don't like how it plays (or they change the way it plays over the patches). Then you have to go back and level the next class to see if you like that (which is fine to learn the new class as you level etc). However, leveling the second class on a casual basis when you don't really want to play your main etc is tedious, slow, unorganised and off-putting, especially when you see the time you will need to put into it just so you can play at level 50 with a class you might enjoy. Then again you might not enjoy that class so its back to the drawing board. Just because I picked a class when I started playing the games doesn't mean I will enjoy it over the course of the Expac. Having to go back without the main scenario quests and level again can make you feel like it just isn't worth it. Having the additional class or two to swap to when you get sick of your main (or to switch it up so you don't get sick of your main) is really the goal.

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Originally Posted by TheEnygma

if anything, I just want FATEs in the 45-50 range brought up, especially for new players. Feels like MSQ is trucking along nicely then there's this big hand that says "STOP! are you level 49 yet?....only 46? beat it, brat."

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If anything.... post 44 is the fastest leveling ever... if you know how to do it... every 2-5min for 40k+ exp depending on group composition

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Originally Posted by Aussiedai84

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I see. The best suggestion I can offer is one that's already been given. Back when I leveled ninja to 50, I was in a similar situation (only had maybe 2-3 hours to play). I would flag up for low level roulette, do fates til it popped, and use the challenge log. I had my ninja to 50 in about 2-3 weeks.

What I would also suggest is first start leveling all your jobs to 30. By then you should have a good feel for how each play. Then, you can see which ones you want to main, sub, etc. (Plus, once you DO find a job you really enjoy, then you'll have most of your cross class abilities.)

We know once you have your first 50, all other classes get a permanent 50% bonus to exp.

Yoshida also said in at least one of the recent interviews, that performing non-heavensward content come 3.0 will offer more than 2 times the leveling speed that it does today.

And you can tack on exp bonus from doing dailies, headgear (with built in bonus) and exp bonus from food.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Yoshida also said in at least one of the recent interviews, that performing non-heavensward content come 3.0 will offer more than 2 times the leveling speed that it does today.

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Well he doesn't clarify if it all content outside HW, or just the MSQ in ARR that will be doubled. It kinda sounds like its only the MSQ.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWg1GunhILc at the 5:00 mark.

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Originally Posted by Zykor

Well he doesn't clarify if it all content outside HW, or just the MSQ in ARR that will be doubled. It kinda sounds like its only the MSQ.

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Hmmm if that is indeed the case, that sounds like a bunch of no help..
Iirc, isn't MSQ pretty much on par with level 1-50? as in, your main job won't have trouble getting to 1-50 with MSQ and a little supplementation from other things..
So if they double MSQ, people will probably end up hitting level 50 when the MSQ is in lv 40s. Which will only make people like me pick up an alt job and catch up (to not waste that exp) and ends up making leveling longer.

I grinded dungeons too much with my WAR as I was leveling and I ended up hitting lv 50 when my MSQ was still 34. It was such a pain to get my second class (SCH) to 34 just so I could start doing MSQ again without losing the exp. But that happened because of my play style, if HW doubles ONLY the MSQ exp, then same thing will happen to everybody (at least the ones still playing ARR)

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Originally Posted by GenJoe

Hmmm if that is indeed the case, that sounds like a bunch of no help..
Iirc, isn't MSQ pretty much on par with level 1-50? as in, your main job won't have trouble getting to 1-50 with MSQ and a little supplementation from other things..
So if they double MSQ, people will probably end up hitting level 50 when the MSQ is in lv 40s. Which will only make people like me pick up an alt job and catch up (to not waste that exp) and ends up making leveling longer.

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Oh my god are you seriously using this as a counter-argument? I just... That is unreal.