Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

And really, while -I- personally don't care much about Ul'dah, the fact is that it's an MMO. If they were going to cause a game-wide lockdown of the city to player characters, they absolutely have to move the necessary things first (at the very least, the DoW and DoM guilds).

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No need to do a game-wide lockdown.

1) Warrior of Light is exiled from Ul'dah
2) Find some sympathizers that give a small quest to give you access to Ul'dah while making you unrecognizable to the crystal braves and the brass blades
3) get access to Ul'dah in a way that makes sense

The quest could involve you obtaining a disguise or glamour to help you get into the city when needed. Would have made more sense than "everyone in the city knows you're innocent" thing.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Would have made more sense than "everyone in the city knows you're innocent" thing.

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well the public also doesn't know anything other than you trashed the celebration. (and even that is a rumor) everything has been kept form the public swift and the pld trainer tell you that.

and also yes the all the guild masters (once you beat the class/job story lines) are on your side.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

well the public also doesn't know anything other than you trashed the celebration. (and even that is a rumor) everything has been kept form the public swift and the pld trainer tell you that.

and also yes the all the guild masters (once you beat the class/job story lines) are on your side.

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That doesn't make sense. If you're wanted by the local authorities (the brass blades) chances are the general public is aware of what went down at the palace or was told some sort of story of what went down at the palace. Wanted posters of you would be on the walls and I'm sure the guys at the Mythril Eye or whichever is Ul'dah's local newspaper would have something written on it. Not to mention that at least would give the act of clearing your name additional weight.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

No need to do a game-wide lockdown.

1) Warrior of Light is exiled from Ul'dah
2) Find some sympathizers that give a small quest to give you access to Ul'dah while making you unrecognizable to the crystal braves and the brass blades
3) get access to Ul'dah in a way that makes sense

The quest could involve you obtaining a disguise or glamour to help you get into the city when needed. Would have made more sense than "everyone in the city knows you're innocent" thing.

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Yeaaah no, I rather not deal with that every time I go to the city to deal with crafting stuff or start up new classes/jobs.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

1) Warrior of Light is exiled from Ul'dah
2) Agent of enquiry inspired disguise time!
3) Walk in through the front gates while guards look on in awe at the 'new you'.

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Fixed :D

/10char

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Yeaaah no, I rather not deal with that every time I go to the city to deal with crafting stuff or start up new classes/jobs.

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I'd make it a one-time thing. So when you finish The Parting Glass you wouldn't be able to enter Ul'dah. You'd get access to a sidequest titled "The Backdoor Lass" for the disguise/glamour to prevent recognition, and be able to enter/teleport into Ul'dah again. Just an idea.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

That doesn't make sense. If you're wanted by the local authorities (the brass blades) chances are the general public is aware of what went down at the palace or was told some sort of story of what went down at the palace. Wanted posters of you would be on the walls and I'm sure the guys at the Mythril Eye or whichever is Ul'dah's local newspaper would have something written on it. Not to mention that at least would give the act of clearing your name additional weight.

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there is a new npc in ul dah that is called garrulous gossipmonger (he is the one spreading rumors) saying that a adventurer (and a bloody famous one at that) tore down the fragrant chamber during the celebration and is also said to be a garlean spy sent to kill the sultana, momodi says folks around here carry on as if naught has happened, but deep down they know it's a lie.

swift says all has been withheld from the public all will seem normal...at least on the surface (going with what momodi said how everyone acts like things are normal) he also says he would like justice to be served but a civil war could be easily triggered and tear ul dah apart.


jenlyns says bad things have been said about you recently (rumors) but noone pays them heed,but then goes on to say if her grace were not convalescing from illness she would surely put an end to this madness. alas in her absence the monetarists are firmly in control.

this shows that noone even knows she died. it's all be kept top secret from everyone.

The helplessness of my PC was indeed aggravating, but the story elements have rarely been about how amazing our characters are; they're about everyone else. The way out characters affect the story is through gameplay.

That being said, it would be fun if they could script an event here and there for our characters to take an action, even if it's just on the order of a door exploding outward or an enemy gone flying, with a cut to the character shown in battle stance.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

That doesn't make sense. If you're wanted by the local authorities (the brass blades) chances are the general public is aware of what went down at the palace or was told some sort of story of what went down at the palace. Wanted posters of you would be on the walls and I'm sure the guys at the Mythril Eye or whichever is Ul'dah's local newspaper would have something written on it. Not to mention that at least would give the act of clearing your name additional weight.

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So much of the entire situation is unknown to the general public. Many of the ordinary city folk don't even know that the Sultana is dead -- that she's 'sick'. Although maybe she is, but that's another theory.

I don't think it's unthinkable that the majority of the people either don't know or are unwilling to believe viscous lies about the hero that's saved them countless times.

"The evac. This is just insulting. We run away like pansies after fighting primals, Garleans, dragons, and whatever else and we flee. I was hoping we would have a huge battle while we were evacuating with the Scions being party members. I wouldn't actually mind an escort type mission by protected Minfilia as we fight our way out." <---- 100% agree

Since the beginning our character who is worshipped by everyone looks useless and idiot in CSs /nod /nod /sit/ /run , woow so interesting.

When i was looking my character who was just on his chair while Nanamo was on the ground but damn i just wanted to kick his ass "wake up!" same when Raubahn fight alone, come on!!

I liked the story but not how it was told x.x and concerning our character passiveness i have this feeling since v1....our character should laugh, cry, protect, fight, jump, comfort he should just live! lol

At the end of the last patch when we use Louisoix's staff i was so happy "omg my character is acting!!!" and here at the end of the story before the 1st add on our character looks like so weak and passiv >.< why..

One thing you gotta understand is even if we beat the primals that doesn't mean we have the power of 1000 men, we might have the power of 100 or less but the one mayor advantage we had with the primals was our immunity to being tempered i bet many npc could of beat a primal with immunity to temper, and our power of light doesn't work on normal humans.

As for our passiveness as much as i hate it, it was for the best because monetarist have the most power they can easly bend the facts and make people doubt us and treat the scions as criminals, even then gridania and limsa have their hands tied because going into war with uldah to defend us would be the worst outcome as they are all expecting garleans to swoop in at any moment and crush eorzea.

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Originally Posted by Waffilicious

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Uhhh...No? The reason we could beat primals was because of the blessing of light. The Echo is what helped us not get tempered by primals. If they just had the Echo they wouldn't be able to kill primals. The blessing of light allowed us to have strengths past mortal limits. The Echo only allows us to know all languages, not being tempered by primals and see past events but can't interfere with them. I am pretty sure Minfilia can't kill primals even though she has the Echo.

Here i thought the blessing of the light only gives us power to fight aetherial beings on equal ground, but now i remember the cs in prae when fighting gaius and yeah we are buffed up with the light, even so our protection was removed and nabrales states that our "fangs" have been removed.

It's sort of infuriating to be able to see the fix coming a mile away, but not being able to take any actions that would alter the CSes so that you don't end up being a complete patsy.

I agree with the OP, it's a ridiculous to have 4 mooks and a potato arrest any of us after we killed a 10-storey Godzilla. That's the start of the shaky execution of the 2.55 story. It's refreshing to see some people like the OP who had the stones to call out the bizarre and poor conclusion of the ARR story for what it was.

Many of things were basically forced down our throats (such as the "dramatic" Scion deaths, laughable) in order to roll out the red carpet for Heavensward.Thanks to our efforts in saving the realm from primals, imperials, Gojira, and Hildibrand's detective skills - we are now de facto fugitives in the very city states we put so much at stake for. Yoshi-P said that the goal of the story was to make players feel a sense of heroism, and that their actions would change Eorzea as an agent of light. After one and a half years of storytelling, our characters are now defined by total INACTION and we're not even agents of the light anymore. Talk about a rubbish payoff.

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Originally Posted by Darkshaunz

Many of things were basically forced down our throats (such as the "dramatic" Scion deaths, laughable) in order to roll out the red carpet for Heavensward.Thanks to our efforts in saving the realm from primals, imperials, Gojira, and Hildibrand's detective skills - we are now de facto fugitives in the very city states we put so much at stake for. Yoshi-P said that the goal of the story was to make players feel a sense of heroism, and that their actions would change Eorzea as an agent of light. After one and a half years of storytelling, our characters are now defined by total INACTION and we're not even agents of the light anymore. Talk about a rubbish payoff.

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So you are salty because you are not an unstoppable warrior of death? You can be outnumbered you know, it's impossible to take on an army of trained soldiers in a confined space when you lack the element of surprise and are caught off guard. You have to consider the fates of the others with you and try not to endanger their lives with reckless heroism. As for taking down primals and what not you certainly didn't solo them. It took a concerted effort of fellow elite adventurers to fell those beasts, sure you could have put up a fight and beat down some guards but it was basically a suicide mission and retreat was the best option.

It was upsetting to not be able to do more, but that's because I really cared about the characters and what was happening but I knew in my heart I could not save them and to stay would equal death/imprisonment. My character given what had transpired would have battled like an emotionally unstable wreck and got myself killed with a reckless charge into battle.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

So you are salty because you are not an unstoppable warrior of death?

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Firstly, I am an unstoppable warrior of death that has left thousands of corpses in my wake.

Secondly, do all apologists to bad writing call everyone else salty? Is this the :Kappa: age of discourse?

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Originally Posted by Darkshaunz

Firstly, I am an unstoppable warrior of death that has left thousands of corpses in my wake.

Secondly, do all apologists to bad writing call everyone else salty? Is this the :Kappa: age of discourse?

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The story not playing out how you like =/= bad writing. Your warrior would have eventually been overwhelmed and been killed or captured and as a Scion they always try to take a path of non-involvement in political affairs/intrigue to avoid a show of favoritism. I guess you would have been happier if your character died trying and you ended up getting to re-roll.

I mean sure, they could have let us go on a rampage and beat up everyone and save the day, but with nothing really on the line the story would ring hollow as no one ever was in any real danger because they had super adventurer there to clean up.

... seriously, why isn't this thread locked yet? It's spiraling out of control faster than one can say "Yo!".

The amount of "I'm this invincible hero who should be able to do anything!" is appalling. It's like people have no understanding concept that every character as limits, including their own. I've already stated I felt that the ending could have perhaps maybe be handled better, but this amount of bickering is ridiculous.

Seriously. Thread lock yo. This has gone on long enough. And besides which, we already have a dedicated thread for discussing Patch 2.55 anyway.

... making this my last post in here too. This thread is just an eyesore now.

I really didn't like how the whole party scene went down. I feel like someone could have helped out. But I think we'll see everyone make a return in 3.0, I don't think a limit break and some holy magic is going to stop Hydaelyn from saving them.

Your own character is so passive because they are suppose to be you. Now then everyone is different so they obviously can't give so much personality to your own character in cut scenes.

Well in theory before we were "invincible" when we had the blessing of light but that got sealed/taken by Midgardsormr in part 1 so we are pretty much a normal adventurer with Echo now. ON THE OTHER HAND we did fight a Ascian without the blessing of light(honestly that shouldn't even be a party fight when they say go after him before the rift closes and im pretty sure it closes fast so having a party was just for the MMO aspect and that's it) So im sure we can take on a few brass blades and crystal braves then run I would feel a bit better with that at least I put up a fight then left because oh the sheer numbers.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Your own character is so passive because they are suppose to be you. Now then everyone is different so they obviously can't give so much personality to your own character in cut scenes.

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Bioware done it with choices in Star Wars The Old Republic and that was my character portraying what I would say in certain situations. If you believe none of the choices they gave are what you would say then pick the passive option ... easy. Also the problem is having a passive character doesn't always equal good. When your character becomes too passive it gets annoying because you have no form of input. Just add choices so things like this wont happen. Star Wars The Old Republic was good for their story and this game is heavily story based so i think they should take a page from Bioware if they want to make a story heavy game with these types of consequences so people can at least act to a certain extent of what they "may" do in that situation.

For example if people think they would fight, allow them to fight and then lead to a scene where too many enemies come and you need to run away. Another option of just running away. This gives the player the choice of what they want "their" character to do. Right now it doesn't even feel like my character because SE are pretty much the ones making the choices and that gets rid of the RPG part (role playing game). So overall all they need to do is add more decisions and choices like they did in Prae and the start of the game. This allowed me to pick what i think my character would say in a certain situation given the choices. If they do this it will feel like more of my character instead of a character I made for SE so they can make a story for me and wonder why my character did that and continue to wonder why he did this and that.

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Originally Posted by Darkshaunz

Firstly, I am an unstoppable warrior of death that has left thousands of corpses in my wake.

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Quite frankly, that's exactly why I love that our character was powerless this time around. It's boring as heck when our character is the Big Hero who swoops in to save the day and fix things every single time. There's no real sense of danger or tension when we know our character is going to come in and hero it up and emerge victorious against whatever new threat we might be facing.

For once, our character couldn't just make it all better by swinging their weapon around. It's boring writing, and perhaps more importantly, it's bad writing if your hero never faces something that they can't win against.

@Airget : I disagree; they could kill all leaders of syndicate, then this ppl would be headless! also Raubahn is leader of Uldah, people would llisten to him! So they could work together and fight but they doesnt. also "Lolorito to put 1billion 3 billion 500 Billion gil for the head of Merlwyb or Kan-E-Senna"; I doubt that could happen! if he had so much gil,he would buy ppl to kill Raubahn,Nanamo &co already and easy! and kill the murders to not have any connection left! The way they left the party so easy and fast shows that they had plan or something?! Kan-E-Senna would always try to help. And the people from Ishgard knew its trap and are 100% still there.

So they judge about our character just because he was in same room when Sultan got poisned? that sound stupid?SE just made a lot of mistakes here.

Some people wrote we should not be allowed to enter Uldah anymore,which is true! Do not make a story how you escape there and hide and then suddenly can go there whenever you want

I thought our character will have fighting scene against Illbert. :(

Also who won in this fight? Raubahn or Illbert? since I don't see Illbert after Raubahn is on jail.

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Originally Posted by MacHorz

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Then if people had unfinished business (class quests, crafting classes, etc), you just effectively dead blocked them from finishing. You also forget that there's seasonal events Square likes to do and some of them require going to Ul'dah to complete them. Now how would you feel if you were told "Oops! You're not allowed to go into the city to do a quest because lol story reasons!"?

There's immersion and there's annoying and angering a player when the game doesn't let them progress just for the sake of immersion.

I dunno if this is pointed out or not, but where did you get the idea we fled to the Black Shroud at all? We were clearly dropped off at Black Brush Station (Nevermind the fact we were dropped off at the bridge near one of the bloody gates of Ul'dah).

Why can't we, the characters, tell the NPCs the truth? We were there, we witnessed everything. If the Syndicate is trying to hide stuff from the people, why don't we tell them the truth? Jenlyns thinks she's sick? Why don't we tell him what we saw? I would think the Syndicate wouldn't want any witnesses around telling people what exactly happened.

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Some people wrote we should not be allowed to enter Uldah anymore,which is true! Do not make a story how you escape there and hide and then suddenly can go there whenever you want

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They are actually scared of you, while you were attending to the whole event your character was without weapon so they could seize you without much of a fight.
Now that you're back and fully geared at that they won't dare to move a finger as the whole situation changed, of course you still can't just go in and raid the royal chambers as you'd still have to deal with a whole army and they will kill you with just numbers.
We are powerful but we can't fight forever.
It would be a blood bath but ultimately lead to our seizure.

During the escape. We can see that Papalymo blasts the gate shut, but why not do it from the other side? I think it was unnecessary for them to even try to stall for time. The gates should have been enough at the least. :U

Not really, seeing how they did catch up with you after all.

At first I was upset at how the story turned out (mostly because now we'll have to wait about three months for a freaking resolution). But thinking about it now, it makes sense:

Willingly turning yourself in basically helps you out in the long run, because trying to attack the Braves/Blades wouldn't help your case. Sure you get to be a badass unstoppable machine, but for all we know, for ever Brave/Blade that is corrupt, there's another who is probably just doing their job and killing him/her wouldn't do well for your reputation.

Like it or not, despite knowing how corrupt the Syndicate is, they still hold (most if not all) influence due to the Monetarists. Basically Ul'dah makes Gotham City look like Metropolis especially now in terms of corruption. As awesome was for Raubahn to cut the little bastard, it gave the Monetarists ammunition to label him a traitor and imprison him. We're not sure if Raubahn did beat that Hypocrite. For all he knew, he could've suffered from blood loss even if no blood was shown, he did just lose an arm.

Speaking of Ilberd, I actually hope that he didn't lose and is still alive. Just so I can have the honor of putting him to the blade myself (After proving the Scions' innocence of course). Him and that traitorous Wood Wailer turned traitorous ungrateful Crystal Brave. Well, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me..."

As for Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb, I was ready to lose all respect I have for them for bailing on the Scions, but if you go to Gridania and Limsa Lominsa, you'll notice that the Braves are gone, meaning that their first priority was to remove them from their respective city states before they could try something.

There is a gap between " being the immortal super hero of the death who can kill thousands in a blink " and being "the super inactive looser that's just blink and have two facial expressions in all the scenario".
We don't say our character should have kill all the bad guys and saved everyone going in a rampage of 10000 animations 4K full HD 360Noscope, but just make him DO something. Giving a punch, kicking a guard or two. Just a small moment of personal satisfaction you know.

I just don't want to sit and watch my character sitting and watching.

Our characters passive? You clearly haven't played FFXIV 1.0 if you want to know what passive meant. XD
Our characters used to get either knocked out, just stand there(not even nodding or anything), and have a companion npc do all the talking in our stead. That luckily changed during the 1.2 era.

I think most of the things our character did made sense. Not so much the npc's though...Minus Raubahn that seemed to stay true to his character. You also need to realise that our action moments can't be placed in cutscene format. How would you even achieve this in a mmorpg. Different races, different height, different classes/jobs, gear, weapons. I wouldn't want to be the person trying to create a cutscene with so many factors...

Our "cutscene" action moment are our instanced fights. That's the way you need to look at it.

My only gripes about the storyline.

- Why would my character pick up a random empty bottle and keep it with him? Are we gathering random litter on the floor now?
- Yugiri's face is shown. And nobody, NOBODY asks questions? Not even that Ishgard Elezen. And how did she wander around Ishgard territory without anyone asking question about her unveiled face???
- Cid popping out of nowhere. I felt his appearance to be very misplaced for some reason. Give us a ride and go "Take care!".
- Let's head to Ishgard! Wait...why am I the only one standing at the gates? Alphinaud? Tataru? Yes I know they probably send me to check the grounds first. But still, make it clear in the cutscene.

I get the feeling that S-E was trying a bit too hard to create a dramatic ending and new opening to the next expansion.

This is a standard MMO story. You the player are always the one to save the world then watch the NPC talk about their part in the story. Without some system in place like BIOWARE (just an example) games with a dialogue wheel, that's just the way it is. You are meant to be passive because the alternative is to just take your character away from you and everyone do the same thing. There is no system in place in this game for complex plot lines with multiple endings and player choice in the story. What if I feel my character is cowardly? or evil? or clumsy? Would it make sense for them to flawlessly tear through waves of guards?

My point is, they are doing the best they can with the system in place.

To OP:
For every point that you think is wrong with the 2.55 climax and every what-i-woulda-done you come up with, there will always be someone else that would prefer it another way. The writers can't please everyone within an MMORPG setting.

People also brought up the idea that Midgar wanted your character to be more independent and show your own will instead of being Hydalyn's pet. This is a great point that will get touched upon in Heavensward and if you are too impatient and don't want to consider that possibility then that's too bad.

Beside, if you really don't like the way your character was portrayed, then pretend it didn't happen and follow your own headcanon. It is a roleplaying game after all. If your new "reality" makes sense for your character, then that's awesome and no one can deny you of that, but you also have to respect the writer's work and realize that certain events are set in stone. For example:

- You got captured no matter what. It was a setup so even if you tried to fight it and think you can take down the 5 guards in the cutscene, how are you sure that there isn't another 100 waiting outside to take you down the moment you resist? It was just obvious that you are caught with your pants down. Do they need to explicitly remake the cutscene with the 5 guards charging straight at you and press their blades close to your neck like with Alphinaud?

- You got tossed on the floor like a ragdoll by That Dude. You can argue all you want about why you can't just bust out your primal slaying skill and one man army against the brass blade and crystal brave. The reality of it is, you are caught at a vulnerable moment and was cuffed with your arms taken away. They could have even beat the crap out of you to knock you down a peg before That Dude shove you over so easily.
Heck, you shouldn't consider yourself THAT strong because all your legendary feats were done with the help of 3~7 other Warrior of Light.

Lastly, all I can say is try enjoying the 2.0 -> 3.0 chain of events as a big picture instead of nitpicking at the few blemishes here and there.

My character's main class is a Bard, so it is perhaps "feasible" that she was apprehended because she didn't have her primary weapon handy during the apprehension.

Then there are those of you here in this thread who have main classes like MNK, NIN, WAR, DRG, and magic users. You telling me that your Ninja couldn't have dismembered those four goons? And how about the Warriors? You guys would have made them stain their pants brown just with a good warcry.

Don't even get me started on people that were decked out in full Dreadwyrm gear, that had to suffer the indignity of watching their character tossed to the ground like garbage. You walked out from hell and back, and THIS is the payoff your character gets?

If people here had the choice, I can say with great confidence that most of you would have chosen to stay and fight. Now, you are treated with suspicion and are quite literally, an enemy of the state.

My only real gripe (besides being captured by a bunch of goons) is the Scions sacrificing themselves so you, the Warrior of Light, could escape. That's like Aquaman throwing himself in front of Superman to protect him from a knife-wielding mook. Yeah, they needed their time to shine, but they could have gone about it in a less ridiculous, slightly less insulting way.

It was also pointlessly dramatic since it's most likely going to be one of those "you didn't see the body" kind of sacrifices that'll allow them to pop back up early in the 3.0 storyline. The same for Nanamo, since we only saw her collapse and only took Teledji's word for it that she was dead (unlike the Scions she probably is, though again... we didn't really see the body).

Otherwise all of the other reveals and events were too built up to be any real surprise. All of them except for...

Urianger showing up in the Ascian realm. His purpose is left ambiguous, but he seemed to have business with Elidibus who himself seems to be at odds with the other Ascians. Interesting indeed.

Also, Raubahn had better return with a new magitek arm and/or a greatsword after someone invariably springs him from prison.

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Originally Posted by Velia

Let's shoe-horn Cid in, in a really bad way
So really. Me and Alphinaud flee to the Black Shroud and then get on the Enterprise for shelter in Coerthas?
Excuse me? We just went through several scenes where the leaders of the Eorzan Alliance state they will always put their own interests first and you're telling me it's not save in Gridania? Senna would just allow Ul'dans to search her territory, cajole her people and forcibly remove a Gridanian citizen (which my character is not that they'd remember that of course)?

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I think you missed a point here, they didn't flee to the Black Shroud at all - the fled to Black Brush Station - I.E Central Thanalan - Which is just north of the Excavation site the MC appears from. They were no where near Gridania.

Hiding in a neighbouring state wouldn't be a good idea either, suddenly driving a wedge between one state and its unstable neighbour wouldn't be the smartest move at a time of political unrest. Ishgard, as mentioned in many cut-scenes and specifically brought up in the ending cut scene, is famed for its inhospitable nature and open suspicion of outsiders. Ishgardians denying entry and investigation into their sovereign lands would not rouse suspicion, Limsa and Gridania might and it may put strain on an alliance that still needs to stand against outside threats regardless of the troubles that plague it internally. Ishgard isn't yet a formal part of this alliance.

I liked the Story line, it actually made me want to go back and re-play the MQ since I skipped a lot of the cutscenes. There are points in the CS's where you have to remove yourself from the altruistic all seeing player perspective and see only what your character sees. Was it foolish to keep hold of the bottle your character found? Yes. Did the character have any reason to suspect it could be used in a plot to frame him/her? No, not without seeing what we as players see in Cutscenes completely disconnected from the MC.

It was nice to see Alphinaud get his dose of reality. I do hope this experience will drive the MC to make more measured decisions moving forward, I hope it acts as a catalyst separating our Nodding dog nature from the story line and introduces a more proactive involvement with the calls being made by the scions/MQ quest givers moving forward -even if it's totally scripted or leads to the same end result, my characters neck aches from nodding so much.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Urianger showing up in the Ascian realm. His purpose is left ambiguous, but he seemed to have business with Elidibus who himself seems to be at odds with the other Ascians. Interesting indeed.

Also, Raubahn had better return with a new magitek arm and/or a greatsword after someone invariably springs him from prison.

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Agreed, I like the ambiguity. I don't personally think the Urianger would side with the Ascians - Even one who may be at odds with the order, though he may enter into a temporary alliance for neutral reasons that further both agendas, whatever they may be. His previous displays of skill with magical arts certainly lead me to believe that unlike Thancred, Urianger could effectively stave off influence from Ascians so I really don't see SE repeating that plot device. Or at least I hope they wont.

/10charedits

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Originally Posted by zeroaru

Agreed, I like the ambiguity. I don't personally think the Urianger would side with the Ascians - Even one who may be at odds with the order, though he may enter into a temporary alliance for neutral reasons that further both agendas, whatever they may be. His previous displays of skill with magical arts certainly lead me to believe that unlike Thancred, Urianger could effectively stave off influence from Ascians so I really don't see SE repeating that plot device. Or at least I hope they wont.

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I might be mistaken but they refered to Urianger as Archon, which means "the first" which leads me to believe that he actually is a full fleged Ascian that simply has no business with the other party as he was quite displeased with them calling him.

/10charsblah

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Originally Posted by Atreides

I might be mistaken but they refered to Urianger as Archon, which means "the first" which leads me to believe that he actually is a full fleged Ascian that simply has no business with the other party as he was quite displeased with them calling him.

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They did, but that's because he was a member of the Circle of Knowing in 1.0 (as were all of the Scions) and another name for them was the Archons.

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One thing I'm really interested in is the whole "stripped of our powers" bit. Severing our connection to the Mother Crystal might be the way for our character to escape the status of Warrior of Light and become something more than just a puppet.
I'm honestly glad the whole Light VS Dark thing is over. It's too easy to see things in just black and white and there's just so much dept you can add to this kind of setting.
The best part of XI's plot was, for me, that there was no such a thing as plain good and plain evil. Darkness was as necessary as light and hopefully we might see something along these lines now. It's time for the story to become more adult and take more daring turns with Heavensward.

Fingers crossed for the future!