Patch 2.5 Preliminary Notes Discussion

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Originally Posted by Drako

The 3 current experts were designed for ilvl110+ people right?

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The current expert dungeons have an ilevel 80 requirement to enter. The new set have i90.

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Originally Posted by Drako

The 3 current experts were designed for ilvl110+ people right? I remember going into these experts when they first came out, and thinking jesus these hit a lot harder then any other dungeon so far.

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The min iLevel is 80, so at least that. And since they drop i90 gear, I'd say that somewhere 90 and 100 is more recommended for those dungeons (and completely doable). Even the new dungeons would only be designed for about i100-105, and not the 115+ that is the current average.

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Originally Posted by Drako

One last thought, sometimes it seems they include zodiac related quests in prelim notes, sometimes they don't. Usually when they don't include something in prelim it has a market impact. So I'm now officially scared out of my mind, what we will have to buy for the next step sigh. If it's materia again, they BETTER do SOMETHING about materia. OFC if they were doing something about it this patch we wouldn't see it in the prelim notes.

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They've omitted notes on the Relic quest from this because there is no additional Relic quest in 2.5, the next (final?) step in the quest is in 2.51.

I didn't see anyone mention it yet, but seems the main scenario will now require that you've actually beaten the Ifrit/Garuda/Titan HM trio to proceed.
While I doubt there's a lot of people that haven't cleared those yet, I can see some people complain about it...

New tools are coming too early. Supras are still very expensive, they should have left them BIS till 3.0. Adding new tools at this point is pure BS. I was expexting new suits and maybe some other piece, but tools?

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

New tools are coming too early. Supras are still very expensive, they should have left them BIS till 3.0. Adding new tools at this point is pure BS. I was expexting new suits and maybe some other piece, but tools?

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Supra has been around since 2.3. Expensive as they may be across all servers, time wise it is appropriate for new tools. I assume we should be getting the crafting body also this patch.

Kirin mount...What are you?

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Originally Posted by Huntington

Kirin mount...What are you?

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It's the pony you get for having all the other ponies, I'm pretty sure.

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Originally Posted by Huntington

Kirin mount...What are you?

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kirin_%28Summon%29

could it be the summon just mount form? O:

I would be a lot more excited about the PVP changes if they'd remove the stupid GC restriction. It slows down queues and prevents you from playing with friends if they are in other GCs. It also promotes an atmosphere where one GC can dominate match after match after match, because it's the same set of players every match. Shuffling the teams up would keep it interesting.

So is Hyur Highlander getting a new pose animation? Or did they forget that is our thing? XD

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

I would be a lot more excited about the PVP changes if they'd remove the stupid GC restriction. It slows down queues and prevents you from playing with friends if they are in other GCs. It also promotes an atmosphere where one GC can dominate match after match after match, because it's the same set of players every match. Shuffling the teams up would keep it interesting.

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I agree. I'm on the few Twin Adder players in my FC which means I hardly ever get to queue with anyone meanwhile the core group that is Mael in my FC seems to have a ton of fun. :(

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

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Pretty sure that there is a fair chance that the secret trial has us fighting an Ascian since one of the requirements happens somewhere in the middle of the main scenario quest chain. That, and both are tied to the same NPC. xD

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Yup

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Achievement Requirements
Secret Ascian Man Defeat ??? in ???.

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Maybe it won't be Lahabrea Extreme as I'd hoped in one of the earlier threads but still (probably) one dead Ascian coming up.

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Originally Posted by Tyrn

Yup


Maybe it won't be Lahabrea Extreme as I'd hoped in one of the earlier threads but still (probably) one dead Ascian coming up.

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Unfortunately there won't be anything extreme about it since it is included in trial roulette, was hoping the mystery trial would be on the extreme side of difficulty.

I wonder if Miqo'te will be able to use the Lala twintail hair. The non-cat ear part of the hair is kind of exposed compared to what usually Miqo'te hair looks like.

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

I don't want to be rude to whoever does the patch notes but you guys need to get a proof reader to go through these before you publish them.

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Are you suggesting that they might not bring back Philosophy tomes as a frontlines reward?

Ungh, really looking forward to that PvP. :)
Also they cannot lift the GC restrictions because it would colide with lore background of frontlines.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Are you suggesting that they might not bring back Philosophy tomes as a frontlines reward?

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Darklight gear has been upgraded to i125, didn't you hear?

New crafting tools & tomes look like they r gonna cost u ur first born baby & both ur legs now.
That "lucis" name....
Slaughter FL seems like a basic tdm = might be the more popular go to thing vs the original base capture FL.
Cuz u know half the time ppl just want to kill each other? ( WD habits lol )

Someone needs to post a pic on day 1 of "that" guy who afks in mor with their omni pony mount.

Everyone gonna be spamming new primals/ boss instances due to no new end game content.
So expect to be out of the loop if you don't do learning groups on week 1.

Trade gc seals for alexandrite?
Plz se

QoL updates yayy!

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/fd0...07211266_8.png

Hey, at least I'll finally never be able to change my hairstyle again - ever xD!

Great QoL fixes and content - definitely enough until expansion imo

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

could it be the summon just mount form? O:

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Definitely. Just look at how similar it is to the other mounts:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2..._-_FF6_iOS.png

Why is the World of Darkness using the same loot lock system as previous CT and ST raids? Didn't Yoshi-p say at one of the fan fests they were looking at a different system for handling drops?

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Q3: Will the rewards for the new chapter of Crystal Tower include the materials needed to enhance Ironworks equipment?

A3: We’ll introduce the upgrade items as loot, but they will be separate from the weekly reward since players were having trouble deciding which piece of loot that they wanted last time.

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Ok so it seems the Poetics upgrade item will be seperate lootable drop. I hope its got some kind of a lockout though. The unlimited lockout doesn't seem to be working as intended in ST. Has anyone tried to get sands/oils sense they unlocked it? If your lucky you'll get one after maybe 5 runs. If your not lucky you'll wait 40 runs. It takes less time to teach people second coil, and farm that. Before the lockout it was easy to acquire. Maybe like 2-3 item lockout on it per week?

While it may not seem very flashy at first, this patch looks to have SO much good stuff in it! Lots of Quality-Of-Life improvements especially. Highlights:

They're preventing any accidental duplicate buying by players who might've bought a Book already and forgot they did. Nice! :) -

"Attempting to purchase items consumed upon use that you already possess, such as chocobo barding or master recipe books, now will cause an message prompt to display.

* For untradable items, a message prompt will indicate the item cannot be purchased.
* For tradable items, a message prompt will appear, confirming if you wish to purchase the item."


Looks like we can now TRY ON any item/gear that your friends / FC / LS link in the Chat Window! That's so convenient! :D

"When appearing in the log window, all items will now contain an item link.
The item subcommand menu (Search for Item / Item Link / Try On / Item Comparison) can now be used with the following:

* Item links in the chat log
* Achievement reward icons
* Supply and provisioning items in the Timers window"


They finally FIXED the awful (unbalanced) Ixali Crafting Quest, "A High Wind in Ishgard"! While I had no problems finishing it, it was DEFINITELY way more difficult than it needed to be for a *Level 16* Crafting Leve (supposedly). Glad it helps people who had trouble with it (and didn't have all Crafting Classes maxed):

"The difficulty of crafting isolator components and auxiliary aerodynamo components in daily beast tribe quests has been reduced." (FYI: Isolator Components are the items needed for "A High Wind in Ishgard" Levequest.)


I wonder what the New Allagan Catalyst Item is for? At least it's bringing people back to Crystal Tower 1 and Syrcus Tower (to help newbies out):

"・Players can now obtain an Allagan catalyst from the Labyrinth of the Ancients and Syrcus Tower.

* Labyrinth of the Ancients
The treasure coffer that appears upon defeating Amon."


So glad they're adding in New Crafting Recipes withOUT needing a New Crafting Book! :)

"New recipes have been added to master recipe books.
Players can acquire master recipe books from the NPC Talan in Mor Dhona at Revenant's Toll (X:22 Y:6) after completing the quest "Just Tooling Around."

* In the event you have already acquired a master recipe book, your crafting log will be updated with the new recipes automatically."


Yay for the REMOVAL of Desynthesis Level / Points Loss, unless you're at Max. And a Desynth Level Cap Increase. :)

"The level cap for desynthesis has been increased.
* The level cap for each class has been increased from 100 to 110.110
* The cumulative skill point maximum has been increased from 300 to 350.350

Skill levels will no longer decrease if your combined skill level is not at the maximum."


Of course, the World of Darkness, 3 New Dungeons, Gilgamesh, Odin Battles... hopefully they're fun! :D

Can't wait!

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Originally Posted by Drako

Why is the World of Darkness using the same loot lock system as previous CT and ST raids? Didn't Yoshi-p say at one of the fan fests they were looking at a different system for handling drops?



Ok so it seems the Poetics upgrade item will be seperate lootable drop. I hope its got some kind of a lockout though. The unlimited lockout doesn't seem to be working as intended in ST. Has anyone tried to get sands/oils sense they unlocked it? If your lucky you'll get one after maybe 5 runs. If your not lucky you'll wait 40 runs. It takes less time to teach people second coil, and farm that. Before the lockout it was easy to acquire. Maybe like 2-3 item lockout on it per week?

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I'd much rather be allowed to grind WoD for the poetic upgrades until i get what I want rather than only be allowed the "chance" to loot 2 a week in coil. For people that PUG, the odds of looting those items suck compared to having arrangements with a static.

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Additional rewards have been added to the following Ixal daily quests:

West for Fishing / Your Gil's No Good Here / Mining for Compliments / A High Wind in Ishgard / Bring Your Own Ectoplasm / In Case of Emergency / We Fly High (Squawkin') / Deliverance

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This makes no sense to me... What they need to do is retroactively go back and add additional rewards to all the other beast tribe quests... I do not need more reasons to do the same dozen Ixali Dailies, quite frankly I'm sick of the damn things... I wish I could do any of the other quests, but since they gave us Ixali Oaknots that just isn't happening...

How about making the reward for reaching Allied with all the tribes be that every quest gives you Oaknots? That would be great. You do all the quests, and your reward is getting to do any of them (so basically, your favorite ones) without forgoing the massive reward that is Ixali Oaknots... I really feel sorry for players who didn't do Dailies as they got added, because they either miss out on a load of Oaknots, or miss out on half the quests because Ixali Dailies are the best ones you can do...

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Originally Posted by Shougun

So is Hyur Highlander getting a new pose animation? Or did they forget that is our thing? XD

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It is not the same pose.
Your teeth is shining in the end of the new pose ^^

Soooo....What's up with that one side quest where you need all the horses?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

This makes no sense to me... What they need to do is retroactively go back and add additional rewards to all the other beast tribe quests... I do not need more reasons to do the same dozen Ixali Dailies, quite frankly I'm sick of the damn things... I wish I could do any of the other quests, but since they gave us Ixali Oaknots that just isn't happening...

How about making the reward for reaching Allied with all the tribes be that every quest gives you Oaknots? That would be great. You do all the quests, and your reward is getting to do any of them (so basically, your favorite ones) without forgoing the massive reward that is Ixali Oaknots... I really feel sorry for players who didn't do Dailies as they got added, because they either miss out on a load of Oaknots, or miss out on half the quests because Ixali Dailies are the best ones you can do...

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This is actually a fair point. Increasing the reward for the Ixali dailies that were easily the most lucrative already seems odd... Giving us more reasons to go back and do dailies for the other tribes would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Arcsol93

Soooo....What's up with that one side quest where you need all the horses?

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It's to get the new Kirin mount. Quite why they need to reward those people for already having insane RNG luck in just getting the damn things in the first place is beyond me.

Guys I have a question regarding retainers outside the FC house. It sounds like, to me, that the items listed for sale on the retainer will remain on the MB too. Does anyone think it'll work like this too? I ask this because my FC likes to sell items to our FC members at a discount. This system would be virtually useless to us if it's still tied to the MB and we'd have to continue to sell things manually. :/ Why couldn't SE have given us an FC Retainer where officers are allowed to list items on it for sale to ONLY FC members?

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Originally Posted by Alberel

It's to get the new Kirin mount. Quite why they need to reward those people for already having insane RNG luck in just getting the damn things in the first place is beyond me.

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they're increasing all mounts drop rates too. It's just an other mount rewarding an other farm

I didn't see anything in the notes about them adding any more housing this patch. Are they skipping it this patch? I finally got enough money to try and buy a house. :p

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

I didn't see anything in the notes about them adding any more housing this patch. Are they skipping it this patch? I finally got enough money to try and buy a house. :p

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They already announced that new housing will be added in 2..5, 2.51, 3.0, or 3.1. they specifically stated that they "satisfied" the demand.

moving on.

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Originally Posted by Angelusdemonus

Supra has been around since 2.3. Expensive as they may be across all servers, time wise it is appropriate for new tools. I assume we should be getting the crafting body also this patch.

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I'm just hoping they dont supplant the "fieldcraft" accessories with something new. those came out the same patch, but I already had to work hard to get to craft those. dont make our economical boons worthless, by placing it behind a token system!

Other than the condescending tone (sorry my 1.0 friends were on Balmung?) thanks for the info. Now to decide whether to spend the money or keep saving it.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

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Not really true, when asked if they were releasing a housing area in Coerthas with the expansion, Yoshi hinted us to keep looking in the current ones, so they may add more wards in 3.0

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Originally Posted by tocsin

They already announced that new housing will NOT be added in 2..5, 2.51, 3.0, or 3.1. they specifically stated that they "satisfied" the demand. Which, unless you are on an overpopulated served and contributing to their server load issues, is very true.

moving on.

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Unless, means not true ;/. "Its true if it wasn't false.." XD

If they can't get players on balmung a housing solution by 3.2 they should offer free server transfers for full servers (one way ticket ofc)... Assuming 3.2 is around next year. Some FC on balmung cannot even participate in housing now, which will apparently also include Airships.

Regarding rewards from The World of Darkness:

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You can receive only one reward item per week for completing duties in the World of Darkness. In the event you are awarded an item from the loot list, you relinquish your right to vie for all remaining items regardless of whether you selected Need or Greed. If time expires and a reward item is obtained automatically, this will also count toward the weekly limit.

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So, if whole party clicks pass, what happens? Will I be "awarded" an undesired item by accident and loose my "1-item-max weekly cap" without my consent? O_o

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Ungh, really looking forward to that PvP. :)
Also they cannot lift the GC restrictions because it would colide with lore background of frontlines.

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I'd wager most people who enjoy PVP in this game would give the lore thing a pass if it meant faster queues and the ability to play with friends.

If there are 72 paying customers in the queue who want to play Frontlines, the queue should pop. Oh but wait! 35 of them are from Maelstorm? Sorry folks...

http://i.imgur.com/iKDrHJY.png

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Originally Posted by NimlothUndomiel

So, if whole party clicks pass, what happens? Will I be "awarded" an undesired item by accident and loose my "1-item-max weekly cap" without my consent? O_o

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You have 5 minutes to pass on the item. If you don't pass, then you gave your consent. This is how it's always been.

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Originally Posted by NimlothUndomiel

Regarding rewards from The World of Darkness:



So, if whole party clicks pass, what happens? Will I be "awarded" an undesired item by accident and loose my "1-item-max weekly cap" without my consent? O_o

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Only if you don't roll until the time expires, like it has always been. :)

Edit: got beaten. :P

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Originally Posted by Mordithin

Wow, the new Frontlines looks pretty fun; lot of great QoL changes too. This patch looks great!

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Indeed, but why are they keeping current Frontlines version? Am I missing something? o.o