2.5 - Before the Fall

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Prepare to be flabbergasted, then. Main Scenario NPCs aren't involved in Job quests because of the potential for it to make no sense; Cid teaching you to Machinist while he still has amnesia, for example.

I imagine it will be a similar situation to Yugiri and Ninja; You'll be taught by someone completely new, probably someone associated with Garlond Ironworks, and they'll make passing mentions of Cid.

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So Cidney is still a possibility.

No mention of FCoB Savage :(

"Lighting not final"
Oh thank God.

I mean, it's not bad, but it's a bit smudgy and dim overall.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I hope they're smart enough to expand the expert roulette to include the existing expert dungeons rather than dumping the current 'expert' ones into the Hard Mode. The HM roulette is already pretty watered down now, and we really don't need any more dungeons added to it.

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Normally I would agree with this, but I'm so ready to have Sastasha HM out of Expert roulette that I can tolerate this merging of old dungeons into HM roulette one last time....

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Sure the whole thing with Godbert running around in short shorts and suplexing monsters is good for a laugh, but more and more SE just seem to be trying to turn Hildibrand into a one-dimensional Looney Tunes character for quick laughs. Which is a shame, as he really is an awesome character that managed to succeed despite his idiocy. But I'm just rambling here. :P

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True, he should be more like Inspector Jacques Clouseau than looney tunes ^_^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfzXqwvtoEE

Classic!

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Prepare to be flabbergasted, then. Main Scenario NPCs aren't involved in Job quests because of the potential for it to make no sense; Cid teaching you to Machinist while he still has amnesia, for example.

I imagine it will be a similar situation to Yugiri and Ninja; You'll be taught by someone completely new, probably someone associated with Garlond Ironworks, and they'll make passing mentions of Cid.

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I feel like making a new character just to see if the references to Lady Yugiri made throughout the questlines is default to everyone, or actually extra dialogue aimed at those who had completed the MS involving her.
Also, I hope its that lady who has been running the Ironworks in Cids absence. She amuses me.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I hope they're smart enough to expand the expert roulette to include the existing expert dungeons rather than dumping the current 'expert' ones into the Hard Mode. The HM roulette is already pretty watered down now, and we really don't need any more dungeons added to it.

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I would agree, but Snowcloak and Sastasha already deserve to be in the High Level Roulette. Snowcloak is Brayflox HM (and Fenrir will never cease to disappoint me. Easier than Anantaboga. Ridiculous) and Sastasha... well, it's not a very interesting dungeon (and super sponge Kraken needed to have more attacks to be an interesting fight. Sadly it's just boring and takes forever to kill). Qarn is okay, but could have been better.

Basically, current Expert dungeons are already ready for High Level roulette, in my opinion :/

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Originally Posted by Antanias

They're probably setting us up for another "shocking finale" akin to the 1.0 ending so they're spreading out what they can over the course of the patch.

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I'm wondering whether the "battle of Ishgard" thing will be along the same lines of what happened before the 1.0 servers went down.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Normally I would agree with this, but I'm so ready to have Sastasha HM out of Expert roulette that I can tolerate this merging of old dungeons into HM roulette one last time....

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I think it would be also the last time for a while
With 3.0 the lv50 dungeons would get moved into the low level roulette or would get a own roulette. The first lv 60 dungeons would be in high level roulette and the first new expert dungeons would show up with 3.1

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I feel like making a new character just to see if the references to Lady Yugiri made throughout the questlines is default to everyone, or actually extra dialogue aimed at those who had completed the MS involving her.
Also, I hope its that lady who has been running the Ironworks in Cids absence. She amuses me.

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Interestingly, if you have ninja either unlocked, or 50 (unsure which) Yugiri will mention during the main story for 2.4 (while you're tracking the traitor in the black shroud) that she can tell by your stance you've been practicing her art or some such like that.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I feel like making a new character just to see if the references to Lady Yugiri made throughout the questlines is default to everyone, or actually extra dialogue aimed at those who had completed the MS involving her.
Also, I hope its that lady who has been running the Ironworks in Cids absence. She amuses me.

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I would be happy with that. Anyroad regardless of who it is I am convinced that she/he will be connected to Garlond Ironworks.

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Originally Posted by Erana

I'm wondering whether the "battle of Ishgard" thing will be along the same lines of what happened before the 1.0 servers went down.

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Well, probably not something THAT final. Or, who knows, with a new city state and 3 new classes, maybe we will get reverted to level one again (right when I finally reach 50 with the ninja). And we lack a Nael van Darnus like central antagonist. Still, I can totally see Midgarsomr returning to life as a mirror to Bahamut comming out of Dalamud.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I feel like making a new character just to see if the references to Lady Yugiri made throughout the questlines is default to everyone, or actually extra dialogue aimed at those who had completed the MS involving her.
Also, I hope its that lady who has been running the Ironworks in Cids absence. She amuses me.

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I don't know how it is in the Ninja story, but in the Rogue story Yugiri and Leviathan are mentioned only if the character did already the 2.2 story.

Regarding the conclusion of the current Hildebrand storyline, remember that the current storyline is the one with the man of a thousand masks or whatever. Hildebrand can totally go on to another case for 3.0 when this one is finally concluded!

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Interestingly, if you have ninja either unlocked, or 50 (unsure which) Yugiri will mention during the main story for 2.4 (while you're tracking the traitor in the black shroud) that she can tell by your stance you've been practicing her art or some such like that.

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And if you don't, she instead says something about how her offer to have the Doma train you in the ninja arts still stands (can't remember exactly what it was). So, they do have dialog that looks at where you are in various class/job/MSQ questlines already.

I think Id be more excited if I was actually though base content, but hey, ill keep on chugging, school doesn't start till the 12, only have to work weekends I got time, a bit.

So any idea what the mystery trial is?

I'd guess it's another Hildebrand trial, maybe the final battle with Gilgamesh where he uses all of his arms?

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Originally Posted by Remus

So any idea what the mystery trial is?

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My guess is that it's story related and something they can't spoil.

Maybe either Midgardsormr or Omega Weapon.

Or could be completely out of right field and be Ultima Extreme. Anyone's guess.

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Originally Posted by Erana

I'm wondering whether the "battle of Ishgard" thing will be along the same lines of what happened before the 1.0 servers went down.

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I don't know if I'd be really excited for something like this...or really annoyed if a.you couldn't log that day...or b.the cutscene is so amazing you actually wanted to control your chara actions and stuff during it >.<

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

I'd guess it's another Hildebrand trial, maybe the final battle with Gilgamesh where he uses all of his arms?

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"Revenge of Gilgamesh" kind of heavily implies we're going to fight him, so he's definitely not going to be the Mystery Trial.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

"Revenge of Gilgamesh" kind of heavily implies we're going to fight him, so he's definitely not going to be the Mystery Trial.

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I was thinking this as well, so it has to be something else.

Im surprised 2.5 is coming out Jan 20th. Thought for sure it would be something like first week of february.

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Originally Posted by Remus

So any idea what the mystery trial is?

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MSQ spoilers;

Bet on it being Omega for the story and Omega Extreme as this patches fill in for the new Trial content

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Originally Posted by Nalien

1) Didn't he say he couldn't return during one of the Scyrus Tower cutscenes? May have been lying I guess, but I do find it likely that the whole XIVth and VIIth Legion are basically outlaws in their home country after their colossal failures, it would explain why a few of the (Drest?) aren't simply walking by to the nearest Castrum.

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You heard correct, Nero and pretty much any garlean figure in eorzea from the XIVth or VIIth legion are exiled. XIVth for invading eorzea against the high legatus's orders and VIIth for putting their faith in a primal and almost destroying the world.

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There will be much to do in patch 2.5, and before we bombard you with more in part 2, we’ll be offering players a change of pace with patch 2.51, which focuses on the introduction of the Gold Saucer. It bears mentioning, however, that the establishment is known as the Manderville Gold Saucer in Eorzea. You’ll have to check it out for yourself to figure out where this moniker came from. Including chocobo racing, chocobo breeding, and the return of the FF card game Triple Triad, you can look forward to a fun and relaxing time in the Gold Saucer.

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Chocobo Breeding with Golden Saucer confirmed ^^
Maybe connected with Racing like in VII, where you start with an average Chocobo and have to breed faster Chocobos with it.

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

You heard correct, Nero and pretty much any garlean figure in eorzea from the XIVth or VIIth legion are exiled. XIVth for invading eorzea against the high legatus's orders and VIIth for putting their faith in a primal and almost destroying the world.

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For the VIIth legion it was more because they ignored every order from Garlemald after Nael death to fulfill Nael last order.

will update main thread :)

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Originally Posted by Remus

I was thinking this as well, so it has to be something else.

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So Odin, Gilgamesh AND another trial? Damn. Are we sure we don't have to pay for 2.5?

As for the trial itself, might be an Ascian like Lahabrea again or Elidibus

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Originally Posted by Felis

For the VIIth legion it was more because they ignored every order from Garlemald after Neus death to fulfill Neus last order.

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Who is Neus?

Anyroad I think it is pretty amazing that even now so close to 3.0 we are dealing with the consequences of what Nael did in 1.0. Ripping of Sephiroth aside, he sure knew how to be a villain.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Who is Neus?

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sorry, I meaned Nael
fixed it

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Originally Posted by Balipu

So Odin, Gilgamesh AND another trial? Damn. Are we sure we don't have to pay for 2.5?

As for the trial itself, might be an Ascian like Lahabrea again or Elidibus.

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They could be an idea, makes a bit of sense and they would hide it because it would spoil the story a bit.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

"Revenge of Gilgamesh" kind of heavily implies we're going to fight him, so he's definitely not going to be the Mystery Trial.

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And Gilgamesh is part of the Hildabrand story. So, the mystery trial is probably going to be a primal that kind of just showed up. It can't be Zodiark because I think that is going into somewhere in 3.0.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

And Gilgamesh is part of the Hildabrand story. So, the mystery trial is probably going to be a primal that kind of just showed up. It can't be Zodiark because I think that is going into somewhere in 3.0.

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Zodiark? Nah, probably 7.0 at the earliest. I mean where would you go after a dark god?

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Originally Posted by Balipu

So Odin, Gilgamesh AND another trial? Damn. Are we sure we don't have to pay for 2.5?

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If you recall, 2.1 came out with: Moggle Mog, Ultima HM, Garuda EX, Titan EX and Ifrit EX.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

If you recall, 2.1 came out with: Moggle Mog, Ultima HM, Garuda EX, Titan EX and Ifrit EX.

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Well, it was mostly because moggle and the EX were planned for 2.0 but like a lot of things, it came in 2.1.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Well, it was mostly because moggle and the EX were planned for 2.0 but like a lot of things, it came in 2.1.

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True, but this is still more content than Warlords of Draenor XD

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Originally Posted by Balipu

True, but this is still more content than Warlords of Draenor XD

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You mean the company that put their game on pause for one year to release an expansion ? That's surprising !

I'm basically new, havent been through an update before, so tell, me, if I don't do everything there is to do before this releases am I just stuck with tough noodles, cant do it anymore, you missed out, bad timing, heres the new stuff? becauses that kind of system is liking playing minesweeper with the part of my brain that's responsible for OCD and completionism. drives meh crazy.

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Originally Posted by ECHOxLegend

I'm basically new, havent been through an update before, so tell, me, if I don't do everything there is to do before this releases am I just stuck with tough noodles, cant do it anymore, you missed out, bad timing, heres the new stuff? becauses that kind of system is liking playing minesweeper with the part of my brain that's responsible for OCD and completionism. drives meh crazy.

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No, you can play all the previous content at your pace np, the only thing that works that way is the appearance of a camp which have been evolving since day one , revenant's toll, you should take good look at it before the update to make comparisons later.

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Originally Posted by lololink

You mean the company that put their game on pause for one year to release an expansion ? That's surprising !

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Expansion? Oh you mean completely rewriting every aspect of the game? Yeah, but that was back then. Now is now. Yoshie-P would likely call WoD a bugfix.

Speaking of Yoshie, the last letter from him mentioned that the finale of 2.0 will come in 3 parts. But 2.5 has two parts. What is the last?

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Expansion? Oh you mean completely rewriting every aspect of the game? Yeah, but that was back then. Now is now. Yoshie-P would likely call WoD a bugfix.

Speaking of Yoshie, the last letter from him mentioned that the finale of 2.0 will come in 3 parts. But 2.5 has two parts. What is the last?

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I don't remember reading 3 part for the end, also it can be 2.5 1 and 2 and another part in 3.0 before the expansion in released.

The story has 2 parts the patch has 3, first we will get the first part, between february and and march gold saucer, and in late march the second part of the story, at least that's how it sounded to me when reading the letter, Yoshi said 2 parts in the last LL, but may be they decided to divide it in 3 parts to release the big finale right before the expansion.