Potency increase for BLM makes BLM way too powerful

Sparktacus started a whine thread and people killed it, makes me sad.

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Originally Posted by AlrikRouge

Ran a new dungeon last night. The BLM was probably about i72 average.

I think he really enjoyed the buff - ST rotation was B3-F3-F3-F3-T3-B3-B3- and repeat.

Then when there were two or more targets: B3-F3-Flare-Transpose-B3-B3- and repeat. (If transpose wasn't up, just waited)

So not too worry - there is still one BLM (despite suggestion of a rotation having F1 in there and using F3 procs when they occur) that is not much more powerful due to the buff. I'm sure in time he may get DPS equal to the tank, and maybe the BRD, but by then NIN will be out and you can throw stars at him instead.

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The guy sounds like a wrecking machine

Why do you even care?

This isn't World of Warcraft. And even in World of Warcraft there are plenty of players that are going to tell you that your performance as a player across the board is more important than the class you play.

Just because a class is strong in this game doesn't mean you're going to see 3-4 of that class in every run. Back before I quit we had two BLMs in our group and one of them wanted to be Summoner because he thought it would be better for the group. No idea what he's doing now, but wouldn't be surprised if they were still running 2 BLM.

So really, what is this about? Afraid you aren't going to top meters? Think you have to have the crown so people in a group environment can appreciate the role you play in their group?

psh

Just play the game.

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Originally Posted by kujowaltz

The guy sounds like a wrecking machine

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In chat, "Mind if I offer you a little advice on rotation? Help make you a killing machine!" (no response) "Try F3-F1-F1-F1-F1-B3-full mana-F3-F1 and repeat. Use F3 free spells when they come up on single targets."

Response: "Lol! No keyboard. I'm on PS4"

"F = fire"

And then I just left it alone. Didn't want to push it. We did make it to the final boss though.

well you tried to give advise at least, certain when he reaches coil others will be vocal ;)

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Originally Posted by Uninstall

Foe also != less DPS for the Bard, so he probably meant Bards don't really sing songs that lower their DPS since that's the subject we're on right now.

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FYI foe doesn't reduce bard's dmg dealt, or atleast the last time I checked and haven't heard any changes to that. So singing Foe's is always a win. (Unless ofc your healer diea and you don't have mp to sing some mage's ballad)

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Originally Posted by AniCelestine

FYI foe doesn't reduce bard's dmg dealt, or atleast the last time I checked and haven't heard any changes to that. So singing Foe's is always a win. (Unless ofc your healer diea and you don't have mp to sing some mage's ballad)

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That's what he said, "!=" means "not equal" in coding.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I say more power to 'em! It's not like the boost is being given to Flare or anything. Though in honesty, I would like to see Freeze given a little something extra for the trouble of being Flare's opposite. Like... maybe a Petrify-esque effect with diminishing returns or something?

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I've always wanted Freeze to have have like a 5 second "Frozen" effect, where the affected whatever is stunned and would take X% extra damage from the next fire element spell, but the effect would end when hit by the spell in question. Make it work on bosses without the stun effect and give it a 1 minute CD or whatever, and maybe it could find some more uses than just casting it on squirrels.

Well, something like that, anyway.

me i have a question, yes now the blm have get a small buff for compensate fight like in BC2, however... don't that boost is too powerfull for the rest of the content? because that the question after all, the game is not endgame only.
Monk dps is powerfull on long fight where you don't loose your buff, on short fight blm and drg destroy this easily. other point, what is the tradeoff of the blm so far: no mana trouble, no position, no combo, ranged... i like how people forget how blm is an easy class to play in comparaison of the smn and mnk and come to say that. if they don't want to reduce AoE damage, what i understand, maybe reduce the mana regeneration from the ice states. i dunno for me the buff make the blm overpowered in all the other content exept bc2... and that a big trouble!

BLM is fine. Damage potential is high, but RNG tends to balance it out. People tend to forget that BLM damage, while spiky, is slow when RNG is unkind. The rotation is simple, but being able to anticipate correctly separates good BLMs from the rest. Poor positioning and timing is extremely detrimental since entire casts or vital procs can be wasted. Can't just duck out for 1 sec and immediately resume your combo lol.

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As to people wondering about the DPS increase, here's some math.

There's a simple equation you can use to determine BLM pot/GCD (explanation here; if I got any of the numbers/casts phase wrong, feel free to correct me). Currently (2.1), BLM has...

(275 + .25 * 340) + (220 * .5 * .8333) + ((150 + 70 * .4) * 1.8 * 6) + (220 * .5 * .8333) = 2465.73 potency over 9 "GCDs" = 273.97 magic potency per GCD

With the potency increases, BLM has...

(275 + .25 * 340) + (240 * .5 * .8333) + ((170 + 70 * .4) * 1.8 * 6) + (240 * .5 * .8333) = 2698.39 potency over 9 "GCDs" = 299.82 magic potency per GCD

This means that BLM will see about a 9.4% (299.82 / 273.97 - 1) increase in total damage, which might as well just be a 10% increase.

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this math is right, however, the number you get are quite different in real fight. i means, more higher the stats will be, more the effect of the increase of 10% will be important. and the magical damage of the black mage are already quite high, indeed the trouble of the immobility of the cast it's to take in account, but actually, in real fight... no one can beat a blm dps on fight of 1-2 minutes.

like i did said, the black mage is fine in BC2 now, but in the rest of the content, like dungeon... it's not the case, this increase can be seen and feel quite easily. since the fight are shorter the damage output can be quite impressive and i'm concerned that this boost that was only for 4 raid will have a real bad impact on the whole balance of the game. the balance of a class must'nt only based on the endgame that not the most important part of the game.

ps: i had experence of blm in dungeon simply chaining fire 1 of 1000-1300 (without critical, nor fire 3), it's impossible for any other class to reach this sort of dps in the soo little time...

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Originally Posted by Sparktacus

lolpost

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Clearly, u haven't played BLM enough because u didn't realize BLM's dps is very RNG dependant and its usually +/- 100 dps range lol

Only drawback I've seen with this buff is that it's a lot easier for BLMs to steal aggro unintentionally in lower level content, where the buff was unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Only drawback I've seen with this buff is that it's a lot easier for BLMs to steal aggro unintentionally in lower level content, where the buff was unnecessary.

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If you have the correct gear for the content you are attempting, Tanks should have NO problem with aggro.

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Originally Posted by Empressia

Clearly, u haven't played BLM enough because u didn't realize BLM's dps is very RNG dependant and its usually +/- 100 dps range lol

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There is no way the RNG of procs should be making a 100 DPS difference in longer fights.

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Originally Posted by SongJoohee

There is no way the RNG of procs should be making a 100 DPS difference in longer fights.

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Why not?
A Thunder 3 Pro is arund 16-17 Dps and a Firestarter around 68 - 78 Dps. (with 0 crits).

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

If you have the correct gear for the content you are attempting, Tanks should have NO problem with aggro.

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If the dd's don't follow the attack order tank sets on low level dungeons pld is in trouble in the 30-40 gap, especially if you have 2 bards popping all their CD's and attacking different enemies(not including Quelling Stikes cause who wants to pop a CD that doesn't give you dmg boost?) Post lvl 40 though, then you should not have problems as pld with enmity. And if a warrior can't hold aggro, then theres something wrong.

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Originally Posted by IrealiTY

Why not?
A Thunder 3 Pro is arund 16-17 Dps and a Firestarter around 68 - 78 Dps. (with 0 crits).

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No it isn't. Stop judging dps by the first 30 seconds of the fight.