"Casting will always be interuppted [sic] upon receiving direct damage."

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Originally Posted by Snorgrind

noone played DAoC that ppl are QQing about interupts ? I see no problem with it at all. Just wait and see if it is indeed fail or not.

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Finally, someone who played something else, not only WoW "Arena". So many pvp "experts" nowadays...
Looks like devs was aiming at DAoC playstyle (hard to tell if that's a good idea with arena and only 4 people in group with locked roles).

I heard nothing about lowering damage at PvP (except Morale, which should increase damage aswell, according to patchnotes). And with that who'll survive double Swiftcast+Flare from 2 assisting BLMs? Monk? Bard? Doubt it.


At pvp with high output damage, casters - main threat. If they can easly cast and 3-4 hit-kill mostly targets - then noone ever will play physical damagers.
On top of that casters has a TON of CC with separate diminishing return - sleep, knockback, stun(Ifrit, you are usefull! Swiftcast+Holy=win), root, heavy. Each effect can be placed on target 3 times in the row. And there is only one purge-like ability - Purify. On 2.5 minutes CD dispells any control effect. So it will be "Sleep! Oh, you purified? Swiftcast+Sleep! Now wait here for next 10 seconds and let me ravage your healer". It will be CC based battles (and with fights 4 vs 4 it will be really fast fights). Whoever cought enemy in sleep first - won.
Except devs forgot to mention that they actually created CC immunity system.

That's on start. No info on Morale bonus to damage reduction/damage boost, so hard to predict what will happpen at high ranked battles. It can appears that at full morale set physics can survive mage's harassment long enough. Then mages are toasts.

So, stop whinning before patch ever applied.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

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Of course! Anyone who thinks PVP will be perfectly balanced on day one is kidding themselves but a lot of casters aren't thinking about strategies they could possibly use to deal with bards/ach, just the melee.

I won't be leveling all the classes anytime soon and I have a soft spot for healers but I do look forward to running around on my scholar and using my fairy as a meat shield while figuring out strategies with my pvp static. I might even level up a tank a bit and run as a CNJ to pick up some more defensive abilities.... who knows.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

OP has no idea how OP WHM and BLM were in the pvp beta test.

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What you didn't like getting slept for 30 seconds with no diminishing returns ?

keep calm and precast stoneskin or adlouqiem before engaging the fight. use lots of cc. Bard might be a big issue depending on how bad the dmg reduction on far range is. If its super high stoneskins should suffice for a long time with decent gear, you just worry about melee range where you have blizz 2 etc, if the melee gets close youll need to be careful though of stoneskin breaking from two enemies thats a situation the healer can help cc or refresh stone skin and adloq, this system requires a team effort from both parties so skill and team makeup and synergy might play a huge role. This is all speculation of course and id rather play it for myself first.

Ideal PvP team:

WAR
BRD
BRD
SCH

lol and pvp hasn't even dropped yet. i foresee an ocean of tears on the horizon

I can't wait to get in there with new warrior buffs and holmgang me some whm's.

I'll wait and see how it works out before saying it's bad or good, personally.

Maybe lag will be beneficial for me for once ♥

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

But how do you know all of this is going to happen if you haven't played it yet? Like, holy crap dude, are you mentally deficient? Just freaking wait until you can experience it. If it's bad, then complain about it. What you're doing now is the definition of retarded.

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just like everyone who kept say wait for this, wait till 2.0, wait till that is out, and each and every time is a huge disappoint this wont be any different.

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Originally Posted by Astarica

I often hear people talk about PvP as if there's some way you're supposed to actually get a non braindead player to turn around and hit a guy that does 1/3 the damage of a DPS and is 3 times harder to kill. I'm still trying to figure out how that works.

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Most likely, like in FFXI/other games, Provoke will actually force PvP targets to attack you for a short time. There are also things like Holmgang and various binds.

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Originally Posted by Positron

Most likely, like in FFXI/other games, Provoke will actually force PvP targets to attack you for a short time. There are also things like Holmgang and various binds.

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Sure, but these abilities only last a few seconds and then you get back to whoever you were killing before. I've played all kinds of PvP games before. I know there are games where taunt makes you have to target the tank for X seconds. That's fine. That doesn't stop you from immediately going back to whatever juicy target you're attacking the moment it wears off, so it's still a nonfactor. The only times I've seen where tanks get targetted first is if the tanks are overpowered to the point where they do more DPS than a DPS class, though in that case you're probably screwed already and should've rolled a tank if they're that overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Astarica

I often hear people talk about PvP as if there's some way you're supposed to actually get a non braindead player to turn around and hit a guy that does 1/3 the damage of a DPS and is 3 times harder to kill. I'm still trying to figure out how that works.

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I imagine when the tank casts holmgang on you and uses the new pvp skills to knock players around like ping-pong balls people will start... developing better tactics...

I bet like 2 people in here played PvP in beta. With that said, it's not as bad as the nay sayers think it will be. In beta, I found it VERY fun. Provoke forces you to ONLY be able to target the tank for a period of time. This is a fresh perspective I think will add a lot of strategy.

Every role has it's place and on paper, if done properly, it won't be just a spam fest and will require teamwork and strategy to win. I played WHM during beta and trying to heal my team, sleep the enemies, keep myself alive and raise the dead were all at the top of my priority list. BLM was OP in beta, I think the changes help but they were not getting hit nearly as much as people make it seem they will be.