[dev1082] The (un)Official Mount System Thread

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Originally Posted by Lusavari

Shoopuffs. 'nuff said.

(Hypello: Riiiiide zee shoopuff?)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkbf1TYQ6hs

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

I don't want to see non chocobo mounts, it would feel more like WoW and less like FF. Chocobos and airships that's what it's all about in a FF game. Different colour chocobos would be more then enough, maybe we could customise them.

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You realize that more games than WoW in the MMO genre have had mounts, yes? Furthermore there are lots of possibilities that come directly from the FF universe for this, like for instance.. Magitek Armor.

Hmmm having mounts (w/e kind) with the option to attach a cart/let 2 people ride would be neat, and look alot better than auto-following.

I think mounts beyond Chocobos are a good idea because, as other posts have pointed out, colors can only go so far even with customization with armor, saddles, etc. Mounts beyond Chocobos need to be creatures familiar to the FF series though, in my opinion. Wyverns, Coeurl, Adamantoise, smaller scale Behemoth; creatures like those who have been in several FF games throughout the years.

This may be stretching it, but the summons that have followed along the game as well (Ifrit, Oden (the horse part, like an Ixion in X), Bahamut,Fenrir, etc) could possibly be mounts? In the last Letter from the Producers, they said something about an Ifrit battle - perhaps defeating him would grant him as a summon to be mounted? I'm not sure how well it sounds on paper and how much better it would translate in-game, but it's just me putting in my two cents.

I think you're doing a great job SE :3

I am pretty much OK with whatever ideas people have and whatever SE wants to implement for mounts and the mount system itself. The only strong feelings I have on the subject are that I never want to see mounted combat (in your face Chocobo Knight wannabes LOL). I just don't like the concept of that at all.

I rather just have chocobos as a mount and no other beasts.

Slug mount FTW !

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

I rather just have chocobos as a mount and no other beasts.

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you used to play on pandemonium in ffxi or nah?

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Originally Posted by Krisan

Magitek Armor.

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I'd separate that into riding armor and battle armor. I still want to see a boss encounter where a member of the raid needs to pilot a suit of magitek armor to assist the raid.

I want to ride a big fluffy wolf, a raptor, a young behemoth, chocobo!
And maybe some useless fun mount, a worm creature maybe, something slow and silly.

I hope that we not only have chocobo breeding but also upgrades, like a chocobo cart, armor and so on.

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

I'm not sure if they are still planning on using chocobo's in a different way or not. We've seen the carriages that could seat a few people in-game, but other than that, i wonder if they'll just release plain chocobos for now and add on to them later.


Imagine riding a Cactuar. Ouch!

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I wanna ride cactrot rapido from ffxi, CATCH ME NOW GMS!!!!!

Also a huge yes for armoured chocobos, we are on the edge of a war with the garleans after all. Might as well tie it into the story

Did someone mention dodo's? I would ride a dodo.... straight to the slaughterhouse

Edit: aww someone said dodos. Well I got nothin.

Raptors!!!

I also like the idea of mounts multiple people can ride. Like a giant tortuous bus :)

Bring in airships, and controllable boats. I want to explore the many island or Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Putting my rhetoric on melee RDM and how it needs to take FFXIV by storm aside for the moment, I wanted to comment on the possibilities of a mount system.

Mounts in the final fantasy series have been limited to chocobo for the most part. We've always had a wide variety of colors and such, but in the context of an MMO this is quite limited. Just like there are people who collect gear, there are people who collect mounts and find that activity fun. As such, I think the developers should look into expanding available mounts beyond just chocobo and going into some of the other sturdy and capable beasts of burden of Eorzea. Goats and rams are a nice alternative (I'd get some amusement out of seeing my lalafell riding on the back of a billygoat from point a to point b, for instance). I'm sure we could bring in bugards, dodos and ewes as well. The idea is to let players choose their ride and go with it.

At the same time, I would like to ask the devs to be very careful if they are considering implementing any type of raising or breeding system for mounts. For one, it's proven to be quite inconvenient and not well thought-out in FFXI. That's one of those mistakes that should not repeat itself here. I'd lean more for a type of system where you get your mount and use that to move about the world.

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This is not World of Warcraft. Means of transportation in the Final Fantasy series is just Chocobos. They should let you raise your own chocobo like they did in FFXI. Other than that, any other types of mounts wouldn't fit in the game

I would like to see Hogs, Drakes, Chocobos, maybe a larger breed of the hounds.

But I love the idea even more of mounts holding loot for you or gathering material, and while they are gathering they can not be called on to ride while away on a mission...only is fair.

Thinking realistically here, Chocobos are the only seriously, imaginable creature in the realm that all races can ride and not look totally ridiculous while doing so.

And also, I'm just FINALLY happy to hear from a SE reps mouth that Chocobos are finally being considered and implemented now. I've been waiting every day, of every week, of every month since launch to ride one or even see one move besides just standing there, so asking for anything else at this point is just being kinda greedy in my eyes.

That's not to say I wouldn't like to ride other creatures in the realm, "IF" done correctly for all races and still keeping the respect of the world's art style and believability intact. T

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Originally Posted by DeadlySwordz

This is not World of Warcraft. Means of transportation in the Final Fantasy series is just Chocobos. They should let you raise your own chocobo like they did in FFXI. Other than that, any other types of mounts wouldn't fit in the game

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1) WoW is not the only game to have a variety of mounts available.

2) You run out of chocobo colors and then what?

3) Chocobo raising was terrible in implementation and concept. To reiterate: You do not design a system to waste an entire month's worth of the player's time to get only a chocobo that has less stamina and runs slower than the rentals and is temperamental as all hell.

Expanding the available mounts also means they can add those as drops from certain boss mobs or NMs. I'm not asking for job-specific mounts of anything like that (though the thought of an arcanist riding mobile armor or a Paladin having his trusty warhorse is tempting). I'm just asking for something to add variety to player-owned mounts as well as expanding beyond the easily-limited stock of Chocobo.

At this point, I think just having Chocobos available will please me more than anything else I can imagine, for the most part. Besides, there's so many things you can do to customize and play around with the Chocobo that you don't even need to brainstorm over other mounts.

I can't imagine convincing the player base that Roegadyn's will be able to ride a dodos, or a Lalafell's being able to mount a Drake and cruise the desert. It just sounds silly, given the art style and tone set in the world for all its creatures. That's not to say I wouldn't want to see other mounts available somewhere down the road AFTER Chocobos get their time in.

I can imagine mounting a Garlean vehicle of some sort down the road, as the story progresses. Seeing as the have technology to move around the world unnoticed and swiftly, I can see everything fitting together nicely for another possible machine-based mount, not including airships, but motor-bike type of vehicle (I.E. FF VII).

But getting back to Chocobos... You can have different sizes, color, and features (Beak, Tail Feathers, Legs, Wings) and gear/armor to equip on your bird for protection/looks to give yourself a sense of uniqueness compared to other players. These things can be crafted, bought or earned as a reward for your mount and for yourself. I rather herd goats, dodos, and sheep as a Shepherd rather than riding them. Everything has a place and meaning in Eorzea, and this is how I see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

1) WoW is not the only game to have a variety of mounts available.

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This is a Final Fantasy game first, an MMO second.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

2) You run out of chocobo colors and then what?

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Who gives a shit? Better than seeing a ton of different obnoxious mounts like in WoW. That fact sickened me (and that's coming from someone who had almost every single mount in the game). You can have TONS of different chocobo colours and colour variations, and you could customize armor for the chocobos too. The possibilities are endless. Don't think in a closed box.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

3) Chocobo raising was terrible in implementation and concept. To reiterate: You do not design a system to waste an entire month's worth of the player's time to get only a chocobo that has less stamina and runs slower than the rentals and is temperamental as all hell.

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You can implement chocobo breeding differently than what was presented in XI and without making it as much of a total timesink, and make them more easily obtainable. Perhaps through quests or through a system similar to FF9 after raising your chocobo.

Mounts don't necessarily mean an animal mount, it could mean they are thinking of vehicles. (crystal-powered steampunk motorcycles maybe?)

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Originally Posted by Duelle

1) WoW is not the only game to have a variety of mounts available.

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yes i know there are possibly hundreds/thousands of MMO's that have a variety of mounts. but in the Final Fantasy Universe, chocobos were the main means of transportation......next thing someone will bring up is wanting to implement flying mounts (in FF, no thanks, lol)

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Originally Posted by DeadlySwordz

yes i know there are possibly hundreds/thousands of MMO's that have a variety of mounts. but in the Final Fantasy Universe, chocobos were the main means of transportation......next thing someone will bring up is wanting to implement flying mounts (in FF, no thanks, lol)

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I think Chocobos should be the staple mount, but I don't see what is wrong with maybe a few others. But I would be happy with just chocobos anyway, as long as there is a diverse array of sub-species within the chocobo genus. For example, in FFXIII there were the Coccoon Chocobos and then there was the Gran Pulse Chocobos. They were two separate and distinctive breeds. Something like that in FFXIV would be cool.

Different beaks, different sizes, different coats/feathers, different muscle tone, claws, facial features, wings. And then further ability to customise the mount with a variety of armour would be cool.

I don't think anyone would begrudge an MMO for only having Chocobos if there was such a huge diversity of chocobos available.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

This is a Final Fantasy game first, an MMO second.

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This mistake was already done in XI, and we have screwed up party mechanics and a couple of other things as a result of not deciding what stays and what goes in the transition into MMO.

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Who gives a shit? Better than seeing a ton of different obnoxious mounts like in WoW. That fact sickened me (and that's coming from someone who had almost every single mount in the game). You can have TONS of different chocobo colours and colour variations, and you could customize armor for the chocobos too. The possibilities are endless. Don't think in a closed box.

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No need to take that tone.

Also, limiting yourself only to chocobo makes you the close-minded one. I'm trying to think of what else could be implemented to help fill the gap, specially taking into account a world that is bigger and justifies the need for player-owned mounts. XI didn't have that because a rental chocobo could get you around for the most part. You could limit yourself to one animal because the game was not designed around player-owned mounts.

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You can implement chocobo breeding differently than what was presented in XI and without making it as much of a total timesink, and make them more easily obtainable. Perhaps through quests or through a system similar to FF9 after raising your chocobo.

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You're still limited to one animal. Variety is not a bad thing to have.

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Originally Posted by DeadlySwordz

....next thing someone will bring up is wanting to implement flying mounts (in FF, no thanks, lol)

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Black Chocobo.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

I think Chocobos should be the staple mount, but I don't see what is wrong with maybe a few others. But I would be happy with just chocobos anyway, as long as there is a diverse array of sub-species within the chocobo genus. For example, in FFXIII there were the Coccoon Chocobos and then there was the Gran Pulse Chocobos. They were two separate and distinctive breeds. Something like that in FFXIV would be cool.

Different beaks, different sizes, different coats/feathers, different muscle tone, claws, facial features, wings. And then further ability to customise the mount with a variety of armour would be cool.

I don't think anyone would begrudge an MMO for only having Chocobos if there was such a huge diversity of chocobos available.

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I like this idea.

Airships could be used for really long distance transportation =D

But I don't want to be able to get a Chocobo mount at a low level =(

Walking may get annoying and boring, but if you start getting mounts at like.. level 20 It takes away most of the 'feel'.

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and NO FLYING MOUNTS. PLEASE. NEVER. EVER EVER EVER.

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Originally Posted by Yellow

Airships could be used for really long distance transportation =D

But I don't want to be able to get a Chocobo mount at a low level =(

Walking may get annoying and boring, but if you start getting mounts at like.. level 20 It takes away most of the 'feel'.

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But in a game with landmass as expansive as FFXIV, a chocobo would help preserve the "feel".

Without a chocobo, the land becomes boring. Adventure turns into monotony.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

But in a game with landmass as expansive as FFXIV, a chocobo would help preserve the "feel".

Without a chocobo, the land becomes boring. Adventure turns into monotony.

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Seconded. It'd be nice to see the landscape knowing it won't take you a lengthy amount of time to get through. I like teleporting and all, but sometimes I wish I could mount up and ride.

What about anima powered machina? In 7 there was a lot of different "mounts" to ride on and i personally would lmao if someone was riding a fat chocobo like the chocobo king. The thing about final fantasy i had always thought is that it was supposed to be different from the others and have some classic elements as well, moogles and choco's. Now that there could be something too, the little guys could ride a moogle. Oh Vesperia, i think those things from Mononoke are called red elks. I looked it up once but it was over two years ago when i bought the Studio Ghibli collection.

Why is everyone against flying mounts? :( In some games chocobos can fly..I really loved my flying chocobo in IX. I chose him more often than the airships. Plus, you could get to special areas with him.

And I was gonna mention machina too, taelien. In a few FF games you could travel by machina as well as chocobo. I think it might be a little weird to see someone zooming by on a little machina in lets say, the black shroud, but I'm not against ideas like that XD

(I also like the idea of differnt colored chocobos having different stats/abilities, but that's just me..)

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Originally Posted by CrystalObsidian

Why is everyone against flying mounts? :( In some games chocobos can fly..I really loved my flying chocobo in IX. I chose him more often than the airships. Plus, you could get to special areas with him.

And I was gonna mention machina too, taelien. In a few FF games you could travel by machina as well as chocobo. I think it might be a little weird to see someone zooming by on a little machina in lets say, the black shroud, but I'm not against ideas like that XD

(I also like the idea of differnt colored chocobos having different stats/abilities, but that's just me..)

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More like Falling with style =)

I demand Dhalmel mounts!


Dhalmel mounts!

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Chocobo only?? oh please gtfo

im for anything that can make this game epic.

flying wont happen with the way the game is currently designed, also Eorzea isnt that big, each sqaure on the map grid is 100 yalms, if yalms = yards roughly then the areas are about 1 square mile.

Chocobos Only.
Let us Breed them.
Give them Armor.
Let them carry mail.

Aren't the Dunesfolk Lalafel supposed to live in houses on top of Goobues?

I am a (tail-less) Galka so I doubt I could fit in the house but I could probably ride one.

i think chocobos should serve a different purpose, like food. let us has other mounts
kentucky fried chocobo anyone?

It would be cool to be able to ride with someone on their chocobo. They had it on one of the cutscenes with those two Lalafell. Or maybe that chocobo wagon in the Ul'dah intro that could carry multiple people. Customizable chocobo colors and armor would be great too.

Yes! for Chocobo only mounts but with different looks, other then just colours.
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-Longer feathers on both sides of the head, similar to FF13,
-Longer necks, short necks etc
-Long tail feather, short, split etc
-Different beak size, long, sharp, big, short etc
-Different comb size, spiky, bald etc
-Longer legs, or thick legs - sprint types, jump types etc

along with colours, so many possibilties!!!!!! Lets stick with Chocobos please!!!!

I'm quite excited about this. I hope it's more owned mounts like...well, most MMOs rather than the rented/limited ownership system of FFXI. In any MMO I think it's a great mark of progress/goal to shoot for to get your first mount, and of course getting cooler looking mounts is also part of that. Although Chocobos are a given, I like horsies as well,and they can co-exist!

Some kind of breeding system would, of course, help set this system apart from other MMOs, and let me breed some nice Black chocobos and (hopefully) white horsies! Is it too obvious that I like horsies? But a Chocobo is fine too =P.