DD Nerfed

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

Dungeons drop gear, which is also part of the game. Unless players are just looking to be carried. I guess that's not 'their fault' either?

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I'm glad we agree. Leveling up your 2nd or 3rd character to cap, you're not going to care about gear on the way up, you just want to get to cap. Which will now take longer with this nerf.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

No, they should buff hunting log, leve, and dungeon exp, not make leveling even more mind-numbingly boring. It takes over 150 dungeons or 480 leves to level 20 - > 50.

Try to tell me with a straight face that's ok.

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That's five dungeons or sixteen leves per level. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

The heck they aren't. People aren't running dungeons (good source of gear.) People aren't doing story quests (good source of gear.)
They're just leveling through FATES because you can be one of the masses and get exp no matter what gear you have. Just follow the train and spam AoE damage. You end up at level 50 and have no idea how to play your class or the game really for that matter.

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I'm failing to see your point. This is a matter of research, skill or guidance. Quests and dungeons won't teach you anything (much less that a level 49 sword is a horrible sin)
I can see you dislike FATEs, though.

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Originally Posted by Conradus

That's five dungeons or sixteen leves per level. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Except that at 480 leves it would take you approximately 2 months to level a single class from 20 to 50, this is in no way okay.

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Originally Posted by Ashren

Except that at 480 leves it would take you approximately 2 months to level a single class from 20 to 50, this is in no way okay.

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That's assuming you gain XP through nothing but leves. But even so, I don't have a problem with that. There's plenty interesting to do on the way from 20 to 50. It should be as much about the journey as the destination.

this feels like a ftp mmo move to me.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

The only other zone with 40+ fates is Mor Dhona, and there there are only a couple above level 45.

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Being kind of a stickler here, but there are level 40+ FATEs in Western La Noscea (the Sahagin area), Southern Thanalan (The Amalj'aa area), Outer La Noscea (The Kobold area), etc.

These areas are usually devoid of players though, so it'll be just you and maybe one other person if you're lucky. There is a nice chain of fates in the Sahagin area that people seem to always be around for.

This is very disappointing. Don't make a post saying you are completely fine with it then turn around and nerf it SE. Bad form.

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Originally Posted by GoddessEtna

This is very disappointing. Don't make a post saying you are completely fine with it then turn around and nerf it SE. Bad form.

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Where did they say they were fine with it? I know they said they were fine with people doing FATE grinds, but that's different from the nerf here. I would say it brings the FATE more in line with other FATEs no?

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

Where did they say they were fine with it? I know they said they were fine with people doing FATE grinds, but that's different from the nerf here. I would say it brings the FATE more in line with other FATEs no?

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There is a dev post (or whatever you want to call it) in the thread calling out people "exploiting" DD by farming the mobs. The dev said it was completely fine. Would find the quote but lunch is over. :(

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Originally Posted by GoddessEtna

There is a dev post (or whatever you want to call it) in the thread calling out people "exploiting" DD by farming the mobs. The dev said it was completely fine. Would find the quote but lunch is over. :(

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They clarified that the way people were doing it wasn't "exploiting" and you weren't at any risk of getting in trouble (since that was the topic at hand).

However they never said, or gave any indication that they would continue to have the FATE operate that way. Sure, it kind of sucks, but it's also not the end of the world. MMO's change. Shit gets nerfed and buffed constantly. Get used to it.

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

The heck they aren't. People aren't running dungeons (good source of gear.) People aren't doing story quests (good source of gear.)
They're just leveling through FATES because you can be one of the masses and get exp no matter what gear you have. Just follow the train and spam AoE damage. You end up at level 50 and have no idea how to play your class or the game really for that matter.

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Even for the majority of FFXI's life, with forced grouping to even level up, people still reached the level cap with crap gear and no idea how to play their jobs. FATEs aren't the cause and never will be. Bad players are just bad.

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Originally Posted by Conradus

That's five dungeons or sixteen leves per level. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Five dungeons per level with tank queue times is already much slower than FATEs without DD. Now imagine that if you're a DPS class and having to wait on the queue. Now imagine that you want to FATE while waiting for a queue. Well you can't go the optimal route of grouping up for FATE exp because you can't be in the FATE group while queueing. The current system leaves a lot to be desired.

Hahaha. All the tears of the get to 50 pressing 1 people. It was only a matter of time guys. It's as if fate was the cause for this glorious thread.

Love this thread. Lol. Sorry for being a jerk.

So SE claimed it working as intended and now they want to change their intention and you mad at them ? Get real is their game they are allow to change how they intended.

SE probably did it to stop the horrible effect it was having on the community. Which is more important that any temporary happiness 100-200k gives some players. I am assuming.

I'm sad that it's gone, it was somewhat fun to mash AOEs and get sweet xp.

But, it was going bad, as in.. Turning the player base against each other.

Communities shouldn't do that.

So they had to change it.

For the best.

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

The heck they aren't. People aren't running dungeons (good source of gear.) People aren't doing story quests (good source of gear.)
They're just leveling through FATES because you can be one of the masses and get exp no matter what gear you have. Just follow the train and spam AoE damage. You end up at level 50 and have no idea how to play your class or the game really for that matter.

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quoted for truth
i dont grind fates i grind dungeons and its really obvious when a fate baby is in the group
theyre a a major liability and a burden to people who have bothered to gear up accordingly and learn the mechanics of their own class, the dungeon and others.
nerf more fates i say, mindless sheep running in circles, lead em all off a cliff

Well I'm glad I got PLD and MAR to 50 before then. On that note, I guess a certain infamous troll on my server will have to find another to annoy people now :p

Not buying this "Fates create stupid players" stuff though; not in a manner that's unique to Fates anyways. Traditional level grinding usually encourages the same brand of sleep walking, with plenty of players hitting max level without learning a thing about properly playing their roles.

I thought the thread is about a damage dealer nerf?

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Originally Posted by Felis

I thought the thread is about a damage dealer nerf?

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If that were the case they'd have said "dps nerfed".

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Never seen anyone cussed out if they didn't deserve it. Maybe your server just holds more terrible players than mine. (Not terrible as in deserving of it, but terrible as in cussing people out for mistakes)

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On leviathan it was the same. People being cussed out in shout and being called all kinds of names, like idiots and retards just for doing what you're suppose to be doing, killing the lambs. I did this fate twice and had to deal with nasty players each time. Glad it got nerfed, hopefully the nasty players will move on to another area now. Only takes 1 bad apple to spoil the batch! :D

RIP DD. You generated drama and rage on par with FFXI's 3 Kings camp for a time. I'll miss the people /shouting "GIVE ME 20K OR LAMB CHOPS ARE FOR DINNER" or "INV ME OR I KILL LAMBS"

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

On leviathan it was the same. People being cussed out in shout and being called all kinds of names, like idiots and retards just for doing what you're suppose to be doing, killing the lambs. I did this fate twice and had to deal with nasty players each time. Glad it got nerfed, hopefully the nasty players will move on to another area now. Only takes 1 bad apple to spoil the batch! :D

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It takes two to cause drama. "I am just doing what the game intends" when people ask you not to isn't a nice action either.

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

On leviathan it was the same. People being cussed out in shout and being called all kinds of names, like idiots and retards just for doing what you're suppose to be doing, killing the lambs. I did this fate twice and had to deal with nasty players each time. Glad it got nerfed, hopefully the nasty players will move on to another area now. Only takes 1 bad apple to spoil the batch! :D

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I know on Leviathan there were several trolls that would just camp and kill the lambs for hours on end, day after day, just to get a rile out of people (They would routinely admit to such). If your talking about those people, they had the foul reactions coming. No concept of beating a joke into the ground.

Think of it this way: if you go around poking people in the arm 5 hours a day for a week can you be surprised if you start getting attacked for it?

I'm very happy to see this changed. Thank you devs.

This is the only game I've ever played where people are HAPPY when something good gets nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Jaine

I'm very happy to see this changed. Thank you devs.

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I'm glad to get slower EXP and a longer grind to 50. Yay! Thanks, devs!

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

Tell that to all the players who end up in a group with a player rocking whites because they DD FATE to 50 and never got better gear past level 40. Creates more problems than it solves...yeah right. :D

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Thats a player issue not a fate issue, if the player is bad they will remain that way forever. If they dont want to invest in gear or craft it thats the players issue, not the method of leveling.

Vindicated. Yum. Feels good.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

I'm glad to get slower EXP and a longer grind to 50. Yay! Thanks, devs!

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it isnt slow enough , i started 2 weeks ago , i dont grind fates and almost at lvl 50 ...
probably the fastest MMO to reach max lvl , which means tons of people unable to play their class ....

fates should be something you unlock when you reach 50 with your first character , not something noobs could join

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Originally Posted by Laiyenu

Thats a player issue not a fate issue, if the player is bad they will remain that way forever. If they dont want to invest in gear or craft it thats the players issue, not the method of leveling.

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Imagine you're new to MMOs and not as well versed in this game. If you don't think tons of people aren't dropping in the deep end without first learning how to swim, you haven't been paying attention.

it's pretty funny when people blame DD for fast lvling and white geared noobs, only DD was nerfed and heck it only made the end (which was already easy to go through) slower it still takes less then 3 days (and that's still pretty slow) to get 50 with an alt character. fates are still a very easy and fast way to lvl.

it didn't slow it down either because most people didn't even get the chain exp others got while it happened (if you could) the lambs were killed within a minute 90% of the time with someone yelling something to provoke everyone.

Greetings,

Since the hot fix that was applied in mid-October, we've been seeing reports that the Dark Devices FATE was adjusted/changed. However, we have confirmed with the Battle team that there have been no adjustments made to this specific FATE during the hotfix or subsequent updates.

As we've read a few reports from users about what was/wasn't changed, we'd like to get more information to pass along to the dev. team. The best way to do that would be to submit a bug report with as much detail as possible so we can closely examine any issues that may have arisen.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Since the hot fix that was applied in mid-October, we've been seeing reports that the Dark Devices FATE was adjusted/changed. However, we have confirmed with the Battle team that there have been no adjustments made to this specific FATE during the hotfix or subsequent updates.

As we've read a few reports from users about what was/wasn't changed, we'd like to get more information to pass along to the dev. team. The best way to do that would be to submit a bug report with as much detail as possible so we can closely examine any issues that may have arisen.

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Community Rep Necro-bump? I approve.

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Originally Posted by KittyPr

it isnt slow enough , i started 2 weeks ago , i dont grind fates and almost at lvl 50 ...
probably the fastest MMO to reach max lvl , which means tons of people unable to play their class ....

fates should be something you unlock when you reach 50 with your first character , not something noobs could join

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Wait till you try to level a second job to 50.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Since the hot fix that was applied in mid-October, we've been seeing reports that the Dark Devices FATE was adjusted/changed. However, we have confirmed with the Battle team that there have been no adjustments made to this specific FATE during the hotfix or subsequent updates.

As we've read a few reports from users about what was/wasn't changed, we'd like to get more information to pass along to the dev. team. The best way to do that would be to submit a bug report with as much detail as possible so we can closely examine any issues that may have arisen.

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Wait, so the FATE is bugged and it wasn't meant to be nerfed?

Oh this is gonna be good /popcorn

What exactly is DD?

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

What exactly is DD?

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Dark Devices, a FATE in somehwere I forgot cause i Haven't played in weeks, where enemies respawn infinitely so the goal for fast exp is to just slaughter the adds until the last ~1-2 Minutes of the fight then kill the Trigger Mobs in the back to move on to the next.

Hmm. Seems familiar, I haven't been into FATEs ever since my first Lv 50 DoW class, but IIRC it's in Northern Thanalan.