Opinions on selling of Relic weapon runs

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Originally Posted by Valsh

Most the people I've seen pay for runs generally do respectable damage and survive until the end, when questioned they just say they couldn't find a group or some similar reason.

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I dont disagree with this and I dont have a problem with that either, but I would be t that is the minority. The problem is the collateral damage of people getting carried through that should not be moving on.

My 2 cents:

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Originally Posted by Matsume

To all those who frown upon mercenary runs:

When you go to the grocery store to stock up on the food that keeps you alive, do you frown upon the fact that you are spending money on food rather than growing it yourself? Do you frown upon the act of paying for your electricity bill rather than generating your own? Do you frown upon driving a car that you had no part whatsoever in building?

How is this any different?

Some people don't have the time to spend 10 hours a day throwing bodies at titan for a week with bad pugs, or duty finder noobs trying to learn the ropes. Some of these might be crafters and gatherers capable of generating many runs worth of gil in the same amount of time they would otherwise spend learning the mechanics of this fight, let alone finding a Full Party of equally capable and competent players. Why should these players waste countless hours of their time (and money) trying to kill titan when they can pay a group to kill it for them in under 30 minutes?

Such a transaction should not be frowned upon it should be encouraged. The master crafter who spends his days honing his technique may not have the experience to kill titan nor a group of friends willing to carry him through it. However, he may have an excess of gil and if he is willing to peddle his wares in exchange for gil, why should he not be allowed to pay a group of mercenarys to kill a mob for his relic? It is a win/win situation. The raiders who never craft are payed by a crafter for killing a mob he is not capable of, meanwhile these same raiders will likely spend that hard earned gil purchasing goods being sold by this crafter, that they in turn are incapable of crafting.

This is equivalent exchange in every sense of the word. No one is being ripped off. Each person provides either a good or a service in exchange for gil. The crafters provide goods in the form of items and the mercenaries provide a service in the form of a boss mob kill. Everyone walks away from the transaction happy and with a smile on their face. What exactly is wrong with this notion of efficiency? Nothing.

If you still think this is wrong, then I am left to wonder, who are you to judge what others choose to do with their hard earned gil?

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Matsumi you need to learn a difference in real life and games obviously.

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Originally Posted by Gyrus

What curcio said.

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Nothing more to say.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

My 2 cents:

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"In the depths of a mind insane fantasy and reality are the same."

All I can say is.. if you can't dodge a landslide you can't dodge a cleave. It shows greatly weather ppl has defeated titan hm in coils... ran into to many already. Healers, dps, tanks etc...horrible.

I understand being stuck on titan for 1-3 weeks sucks but in all honesty if you have not been able to pick up friends along the way to clear titan with u will not have friends to clear coils. Whats the point in getting your relic only to become stuck once more in coils ?? If you are trying to play catch up with your fc/ls group maybe you should have joined another if they never bothered to help you with titan hm in the first place? Make friends clear content together. Not pay other playersto clear your content...you will only make yourself look bad when you start dying in coils...

I don't know why people care. People who want to do endgame are going to get there one way or another eventually.

95% of the content in this game is so ridiculously easy.

If you worry more about yourself and the people you are recruiting to your groups instead of being irritated that someone bought themselves a Titan kill, you won't end up with a window licker that can't down content.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

No all of the bad players bought a Titan run and will now be trying to get into BC runs.

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They say that the weakest bark the loudest, and many of us in the World of Warcraft community believe that players who complain about prestige when it comes to easy content are generally the worst kind of player - in both attitude and performance.

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Originally Posted by Delorean

I don't know why people care. People who want to do endgame are going to get there one way or another eventually.

95% of the content in this game is so ridiculously easy.

If you worry more about yourself and the people you are recruiting to your groups instead of being irritated that someone bought themselves a Titan kill, you won't end up with a window licker that can't down content.



They say that the weakest bark the loudest, and many of us in the World of Warcraft community believe that players who complain about prestige when it comes to easy content are generally the worst kind of player - in both attitude and performance.

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This is less a dont want them in my group and more a dont want them to cry they cant do BC on the forums and get it nerfed. Either way this will probably happen i guess.

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Originally Posted by Blazn

Matsumi you need to learn a difference in real life and games obviously.

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The same difference that leads people to trolling behind the safety of the internet?

Unlike you, I see no difference between paying for a good or a service in game and in real life. You are still paying for a good or a service. Gil is no different than real money. And the goods and services provided via the game are no different than those you purchase every day. The exception is that one exists in a virtual state whereas the other in a material form.

Contradicting such logic is hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

"In the depths of a mind insane fantasy and reality are the same."

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Reality is often stranger than fiction, wouldn't you say?

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Originally Posted by Matsume

The same difference that leads people to trolling behind the safety of the internet?

Unlike you, I see no difference between paying for a good or a service in game and in real life. You are still paying for a good or a service. Gil is no different than real money. And the goods and services provided via the game are no different than those you purchase every.

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So by your logic you would buy gil as well from RMT ?? If you haven't done so already...