If you're pulling with Provoke you're doing it wrong

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gorlioliolio

snip

---

Agreed on the increased range. However, it's not just about reaction time: if DPS in your team are much overgeared compared to you, it's a pain to keep aggro, let alone get it back. Likewise if they go crazy on AoE. Likewise if your healer needs to punch through much unnecessary damage, or goes crazy overhealing. It's not that simple, you must have either a great gear, or great partners to never have to use provoke. It's a fantastic tool to get mobs back on you as a tank. Also, it's a DPS job to deal damage, as well as to stop doing it if mobs start hitting them, so that the tank can get the mobs back. It's basic DPS'in 101 in most MMORPGs. This FF XIV is no different, however aggro management is a bit more tricky than it is usually since there's a cap system: it's more about aggro repartition (%s) than a simple absolute value, so a team must really work together to get that done right. From one group to the next, things are just so variable, depending on who does what and how, whereas I usually have the same routine and (overall good) reaction time.

Annnnnnnnnnd these are some of the reasons I won't tank DF I'll use members from my Ls or FC Thanks :3

Tanking is the role that struggles most in dungeons.
When i played a healer it was relaxed and easy... this is not the case most of the times for tanks.
I need to be much more focused to make sure I'm at the top of the aggro list.
DD scrubs should be careful with their criticism, they are expendable and easy to play. :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GongStar

DD scrubs should be careful with their criticism, they are expendable and easy to play. :p

---

LMAO

Oh man. Get a load of this guy. I can't believe your first post was THAT.

The OP is so correct on this. I did not fully learn that provoke actually equates you to the highest person on the monsters hate list. I thought there was actually high level hate built into it. The more you know.

No matter what if you are a DD and you are pulling aggro. It is your job to adapt. Team work is just that, filling in the gaps. If the tank is not as good as you are accustomed to then you should help the tank regain control, you do this by easing off on the damage.

Going ape from the start of the fight is worse than anything a bad tank can do. The idea is to let the tank get control, THEN go ape. Tank starts to lose control. You ease off. Simples.

In my opinion, Provoke's greatest strength comes from the ability to put the tank back at the top of the hate meter following a death. Raise the tank, tank provokes and we can carry on. It also allows the off tank to get to the top of the hate meter if the main tank dies.

As for pulling with Provoke, in the rare instance you need a longer range pull than Shield Lob, Provoke being on CD isn't that big of a deal as we have other enmity tools that are better at the beginning of a fight and we are probably talking about trash anyway. Shield Lob or Tomahawk would fill the role of getting hate back on a mob that changed targets and you don't feel like chasing it.

That being said, hate isn't completely handed to us in FFXIV as it is in other MMOs (I played multiple tanks in WoW, Rift, SWTOR). A decently geared DD certainly CAN pull from a tank, especially when they are attacking a mob that the tank isn't (even when rotating Flash in after each combo rotation).

How about giving these tanks you meet advice and making them better players instead of spewing hatred on the forums? I'm tired of these don't do that or this threads. Telling everyone on the forums they are just doing it wrong sounds condescending, and won't actually help anyone just turn players off from the community. Comment your problems with players personally.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GongStar

Tanking is the role that struggles most in dungeons.
When i played a healer it was relaxed and easy... this is not the case most of the times for tanks.
I need to be much more focused to make sure I'm at the top of the aggro list.
DD scrubs should be careful with their criticism, they are expendable and easy to play. :p

---

I would honestly claim that healers have the toughest role in late game dungeons, having several 50s and doing multiple roles often, I believe that tanking in endgame is far easier than healing in many situations. Tanks do their rotation and stay out of stuff and generally no one dies. You get fights like Demon Wall or and of the Primals where healers have to not only cure during gaps in dodging the boss mechanic but heal up dps that are also trying to dodge the boss mechanic. I've had several tanks in endgame that got mad at their healer in fights where the tank has the easiest job in the whole encounter.

Granted much of what I said is a moot point when you run with groups that can dodge. But I've seen plenty of tanks AND dps that will completely ignore the giant red AOE indicators and claim that it is the healers job to heal through it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Awdogsgo2heaven

How about giving these tanks you meet advice and making them better players instead of spewing hatred on the forums? I'm tired of these don't do that or this threads. Telling everyone on the forums they are just doing it wrong sounds condescending, and won't actually help anyone just turn players off from the community. Comment your problems with players personally.

---

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Current-Tanks. :3 That's what I did.