Tank Training

I support this, as a career tank myself. Its hard going as a smn or something in a 30 something dungeon and trying to 'teach' a tank while not coming off as naggy control freak.
EDIT: Although... tanking, I've noticed many dps and healers like to cast something just as I go to pull. That is a no no if you don't want something gnawing your face off while I run around panicking spaming flash, provoke and overwhelm, trying to regroup the enemies around me. ^^;;

If only the tanks came to the forum looking for advice... I think people usually create paladins just for the sake of being a paladin. They don't fully understand the job and I see people complaining about PLD not doing enough DPS compared to other classes. Seriously, wtf? This is not WoW, PLD is a tank, learn it or leave it. If you're going to pick a tank class, you should know what's the deal with it. On the other hand, I don't see this shortage of tanks, perhaps I don't notice it because I'm in a Legacy Server (I'm not Legacy), but I see a lot of both Paladins and Warriors...

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Originally Posted by Kenka

Also, there's the issue with Flash. You have a quest that teaches you that Flash actually allows you to grab AoE aggro. You NEED to use it because the NPC will take a beating otherwise. Apparently when some people finish the quest the knowledge they acquired just vanishes from their minds..
More quests to teach the players are useless if the players are not willing to be taught..

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Pretty much this. I've met so many stubborn players. Another thing that doesn't help is that Fate grinding is the easiest way to level. You aren't going to learn proper tanking from something that rewards zerging and mass chaos.

I see so many people using Provoke incorrectly, and I try to correct them (politely of course), and I always get bad attitude back.

But running in and voking straight away is pointless, don't do it.

Those Guildhests are supposed to teach the basics of group play for all class roles. Problem is, nobody's gonna run them a second time because they give the most useless rewards for completing them compared to the first time bonus. No incentive for new players to run them when they can get better XP and GIL out of normal quests, Leves, or FATEs. Which is a shame, really.

I use brayfox as a diagnostic dungeon. I've set my rotations up as macro's to cut down on the button spam. I thorn between two play styles.
I have been a keyboard only player in FFXI and XVI 1.0. ARR went to a wasd/ mouse set-up which I hate. plus we lost the targeting we had in 1.0
so I'm using a game pad and also the keyboard now. I have use the crossbar for battle actions and hotbar 1 I have set-up for marking targets and
misc party management.

Using macros to slow down the fight and learning to keep calm have been the biggest help in tanking. Some groups are better the others. I for some
reason have a problem when there is a ACN in the group. I don't know if it's the Dot's eating away at enmity or if it's just something in my head. It just
seems that I have to flash way more with I ACN or SMN in the party.

i don't see why training is even required, the tooltips tell you what each ability does... it's not that hard to spam flash and do your single target enmity combo

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Originally Posted by Flionheart

I see so many people using Provoke incorrectly, and I try to correct them (politely of course), and I always get bad attitude back.

But running in and voking straight away is pointless, don't do it.

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Provoke does need a better tool tip. People don't seem to realise that provoke is not a hate generation tool. It only gives you like 10 more emnity then the rest of the
party. If you lose hate or you die and get raised mid battle is when you use it. I think that people from XI use it thinking it's a direct Enmity spike like XI and can use it for pulling.
that's what shield lob is for.

The hardest thing to learn is to flexibility.

If both people know how to accomplish something but go about it in different ways, then they will probably consider the other person ignorant and need training. I\\'m not talking about the clueless moron that doesn\\'t use his abilities properly, stands in the fire, and sticks to the actions that do dmg but no hate. Those people need more help than just training. But I digress.

I\\'m talking about things like where to tank the boss, mob kill order, which mobs get slept, how to handle adds, etc. Sometimes, BOTH ways would actually work, but if neither party is willing to adjust then they may attempt an encounter using both methods with often catastrophic results. Then they each blame the other party and call each other n00bs on the forums.

The hardest part is figuring out what to do with what is handed to you. Sometimes the only way to learn is to make a lot of mistakes first. Not a lot of players have the patience for that.

A big problem I've seen is, people think there is a mrd/gla rivalry, when you need both leveled up for the job. I've seen a lot of bad WAR thinking they can get to 50 using only their WAR abilities. PLD its actually less crucial to have mrd, but honestly if you're a career tank, you should level both. Most PLDs i've seen are good tanks actually, the few bad tanks I had were WAR, not all WAR, just the few bad tanks I had. Many WAR think, I'm just going to eat damage that's my class, but there are ways on mrd to take a few less licks >< and help your kind healer's mp (aka me). If you think the GLA quests didn't teach you to tank, what about "is it a rock, CLEAVE IT!" the general theme of mrd/war quests haha.