As a SMN, is it worth using Thunder?

So technically a scholar can do comparable dmg as a summoner if you tack on 5 dots + ruin. That's....not cool

Comparable damage? no. They focus on MND, not Int. They don't have Fester and most of their time is focused on healing. Yes they can put DoT. The same thing with WHM, they can put DoT, use Holy etc. But they also focus on healing. If WHM anc SCH cannot at least do damage, then how would they solo?

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Originally Posted by nimuniverse

Comparable damage? no. They focus on MND, not Int. They don't have Fester and most of their time is focused on healing. Yes they can put DoT. The same thing with WHM, they can put DoT, use Holy etc. But they also focus on healing. If WHM anc SCH cannot at least do damage, then how would they solo?

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Well if you consider 5 dots ticking for over 300ish dmg accumulative that's pretty close to a summoners total dmg with a pet. Its less for sure but not by much and yes o understand they have to have a way to solo but comparable, yes I'd say so having both classes and seeing it.

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

So technically a scholar can do comparable dmg as a summoner if you tack on 5 dots + ruin. That's....not cool

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Close, but not quite...Although the spell damage are similar with stance on, you forgot that SMN also has a pet that can provide about 30% additional DPS...

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

Well if you consider 5 dots ticking for over 300ish dmg accumulative that's pretty close to a summoners total dmg with a pet. Its less for sure but not by much and yes o understand they have to have a way to solo but comparable, yes I'd say so having both classes and seeing it.

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Scholars don't have fester.
Scholars don't have a pet that can attack. (can't use rouse+spur for damage)
Scholars can't get raging strikes.

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Originally Posted by fanservice

Scholars don't have fester.
Scholars don't have a pet that can attack. (can't use rouse+spur for damage)
Scholars can't get raging strikes.

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While I agree with everything you say, do look at the fact that scholars can put up more dots which accounts for the loss of the pet which is just an additional dot plus they can nuke with ruin plus the cleric stance. Now they don't get raging strikes but still switch to scholar and put up all 5 dots and nuke in cleric stance and you'll see there isn't as big of a gap as you think there would be. This might be intended because if you look at what they said in the last phase of beta notes, stats wide they didn't want a big difference between the two classes since the stats you choose as an arcanist are the same stats as scholar so all that int you put in carries over to scholar. Just noting what ive experienced as both classes. I think this is their intention. Not a big difference in classes.

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

While I agree with everything you say, do look at the fact that scholars can put up more dots which accounts for the loss of the pet which is just an additional dot plus they can nuke with ruin plus the cleric stance.

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Summoners can get thunder, and aero too. Again, there's still fester for summoners, which is a 300 potency nuke, on a 10 second recast, raging strikes, rouse, spur, contagion.

The only thing scholars have over summoners is cleric stance, and 30% more of their spell speed half of the time (which is about .1 second off of casts+recasts). It really shouldn't be close

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Originally Posted by Conradus

Don't forget, SCH can use it.

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This is a SMN thread, not SCH.

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Originally Posted by fanservice

Summoners can get thunder, and aero too.

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How can Summoners use Aero when they can't draw from CNJ skills? Like I mentioned earlier, only ACN can (as well as SCH).

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Originally Posted by Kyronex

This is a SMN thread, not SCH.



How can Summoners use Aero when they can't draw from CNJ skills? Like I mentioned earlier, only ACN can (as well as SCH).

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Mistake on my end from unlocking sch some time ago. Point still is sch damage isn't comparable to smn.

Is there some gap during casting SMN's various abilities that you would throw Thunder in there? I personally haven't played ACN much so it's just been confusing that a cross classed spell for DPS would be worthwhile to use.