182 min on duty finder and counting......

The problem is the group size. Since now in this game you need 1 tank and 1 healer for every 2DPS, the DPs will have to wait longer. The group should be 5 if not 6, 1 Healer, 1 Tank and 3-4 DPS.

I rolled a Tank because I knew this would be an issue. People just do not want to play tanks or healers in these games because those roles carry too much responsibility. So there is probably a 10:1 ratio of DPs to healers and tanks, and with a party of 4? This is why you will see long queue times.

Also I agree about the FATEs, they need to be nerfed or dungeons need to be buffed. If there is 4-5 methods of EXP gain in a game and everyone just chooses one method, chances are its not balanced correctly.

So when I played the first dungeon I tried as an archer first.. It took me 45 minutes I think, I had long since moved on, and had to rapidly drop what I was doing, switch classes back (from fisher I think), and join. Normally as Conjurer the longest wait time I have had is 10 minutes to wait on a tank, and usually it is more like 10 seconds. But it appears that the problem at the lower levels right now is we don't have enough tanks or healers(if to a slightly lesser extent), and those we do have aren't willing to replay a "worthless" gh.

My way of helping with the healer side is to periodically try and join low level things I have already done so people can play. But even then you still have the tank problem. I tried to play a low level gh yesterday as a conjurer. I gave up after 20 minutes.

I would suggest that others to do the same as I have been: for the sake of people starting characters, or just leveling a different class, be willing to replay low level things you don't need as a tank or healer (especially tanks). It is still a quick bit of fun, and doesn't hurt anything. And would go a long way to helping solve this problem. Also I see it as practice, both in my class skills, and my ability to deal with random groups with different skills and (in)experiences.

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Originally Posted by thedevilsjester

Unlikely. They already have two healer classes (how many do we need?) and the second healer class (Arcanist with Scholar job) is the brand new class/job in ARR.

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That's like saying we have four tank classes just because the classes have secondary jobs. We have two healers, and one doesn't show up until level 30 which makes queuing very long for low level DPS without someone helping them out (like a FC or one of their friends).

Think it's the instance server capacity that's holding the queues up, I've been stuck with a full group at "Reserving Instance" for over an hour.

You guys still dont understand the real issue, the group size. The ratios are all messed up. This games group size says the ratio of DPS to tanks and healers should be 1:1 where in reality its more like 5:1.

I dont care how many more healing or tanking jobs they add, it will not make playing a healer or tank any more attractive.

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Originally Posted by Kalamari

Think it's the instance server capacity that's holding the queues up, I've been stuck with a full group at "Reserving Instance" for over an hour.

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Maybe for AK, but the rest have been instant with a full group for me.

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Originally Posted by mkopec1

The problem is the group size. Since now in this game you need 1 tank and 1 healer for every 2DPS, the DPs will have to wait longer. The group should be 5 if not 6, 1 Healer, 1 Tank and 3-4 DPS.

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This definitely makes the problem worse, but if you have 0 healers or 0 tanks in the pool, it doesn't matter if it is two dps per group, or a dozen. New players are the ones adding numbers the duty finder player pool, not players levelling secondary/sub-classes.

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Originally Posted by La_Dava

They manage to be level 50 but lack the knowledge/strategy to manage parties and dungeons.

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And this is one of the biggest concerns. What happens when you get DPS players that are tired of long queues, and decide to FATE farm upto 50 so they can queue as a tank and get shorter queue times? It isn't only going to be bad for them, but everyone that gets them in a DF party.

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Originally Posted by mkopec1

People just do not want to play tanks or healers in these games because those roles carry too much responsibility. So there is probably a 10:1 ratio of DPs to healers and tanks, and with a party of 4? This is why you will see long queue times.

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I think that's the reason, as well as many people starting to rage at newbie healer/tanks instead of explaining their mistakes. No one likes to be shouted at, so even less people play tanks or healers.

So far I was lucky to only have one party (out of 10 I think) where people were raging, but I know of others who were less lucky and quit their role in the end changing to DPS. If people remembered that not everyone had a perfect grasp on their class back when they started, things would have been easier and there would be more tanks/healers.

There are two different problems. Obviously DPS will have longer queues because of dps/healer/tank ratio, and this isn't a problem they cannot solve, everyone plays whatever hey want.

PRoblem now at peek hours is that even with a premade party you have to wait 20-30+ minutes to get an open spot on the instance server so your premade group/pug can play. This is the problem they need to address asap.

As mentioned before, entering que on the DF with either a Tank or Healer will significantly reduce your wait time. Find a friend and que up together!

Also, your preferred language also has a LOT to do with que times. The DF with automatically attempt to wait for party members with the same language for obvious reasons.

In the DF main menu (where you select the dungeon) the top right corner has your preferred language highlighted. You can also highlight the other 3 languages before joining que, this will greatly reduce your wait time on ques (a lot of people with different languages are on different servers due to the inability to create characters on the server they would like).

Use the built in translator for groups where you do not speak the same language, I have had almost instant ques (10 min max wait) on all dungeons so far.