Most cocky class?

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

Paladins - those who just charge in to the next set of monsters before getting cured or buffed. Running around like headless chickens and blame the healers haven't cured them when they die keep getting out of line of sight.

Granted any tank gets it in the neck a lot because its a bit of a thankless job, not quite as much as healers, but close.

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The ooc regen seems to top me off well before the next pack on my War. My mate who heals doesn't even bother touching his Cure until I've about 3-6 seconds into the fight . As for that damm carbuncle ugh helps having the healer as a buddy we just let it and the guy behind it die.

As for Line of sight....that's 50/50 healers should be attached to the tanks behind albeit 15-20 yards behind. Tanks still need to be aware of the position of everyone tho.

As a healer. I really hate archers/bards that run as far away from me as possible when they are about to die from not moving out of an aoe....and ofc....they blame me for letting them die.

- Tanks that charge in before buffs, don't aggro everything properly causing me to get aggro with heals, wipe the party, rez, and run straight back in again without waiting for my mana to regen ... or for buffs again .... and then tell me I have really poor positioning when I die to their lack of aggro control. Had one of those in SV. We wiped 5 times in the first hallway before I quit the party lol.

- DPS that gets aggro and almost dies and runs out of range of my heals....I can't follow you buddy! I've got the tank to keep alive too!

It's definitely not particular classes, just the humans behind them.

Arcanist/Summoner. Put your damn tank pet away. I don't care how cool you think you are cause your pet can sort of offtank with spam heals. You're pulling aggro and screwing up my flanking.

/rant

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Originally Posted by Whizawk

Commonly Archers/Bards have conflicted with other members of the party in an instance from my experiences.

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Let's not start making judments/generalizations on a whole class/Job based on the misplaying of a few. There are bad players or "new" players in every class so you can really say that about anyone. There are those of us ARC/BARDS that do an amazing job with targeting and dodging AOE shots and contribute our fair share to the fight and deal quite a bit of damage might I remind you. Just sticking up for the awesome ARC's out there! I ran Haukke Manor with a TANK that did not mark mobs at all (EVER)...you know what I did...I adapted my play style to his and just went on with life...no big deal...it's our adaptability that will make us all better players. Now do I love running Dungeons with my FC/LS buddies better...of course... but sometimes we run on our own and it all works out.

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Originally Posted by keepmeonpinz

Arcanist/Summoner. Put your damn tank pet away. I don't care how cool you think you are cause your pet can sort of offtank with spam heals. You're pulling aggro and screwing up my flanking.

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ey ey.. untill lvl 50 most tanks are idiots so be happy the pets actually are great tanks XD

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Originally Posted by Jaminos

The point is about the general population of the class. Not the physical class itself.

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..but you're giving individual anecdotes about bad players yourself--not the general population.

I also have another issue with your first post: the fact that a SMN (as their name suggest, summons) has a tank pet that may rival your inept ability to keep aggro doesn't mean you should hate on them and instead embrace ingenuity and diversity in a dungeon that doesn't strictly rely on your god-given tanking skills, albeit as imperfect as they may be.

For every "cocky" class there is, as according to you, there is an equally, "cocky" PLD, as according to another.

If there is one thing I cannot stand when cramped up in an unordinarily long dungeon is a traditionalist tanker class that thinks everyone should follow in line behind him as though the entire party should be forever grateful he chose to grace their duty finder queue.

These tanks, as I've seen in other games, have failed when unforseen circumstances came up in the party and the normally "defenseless" and "cocky" players took up non-traditional dungeon roles and defeated said boss using a mixture of aggro sharing, kiting, ingenuity, and just plain ol' fun.

FUN.

Because, my friend, that is what makes a game.

My tank quote of the year goes to this: "Omfg noob, stop hitting the wrong monsters, I marked them all your a noob! Your stupid ifrit is pulling use titan instead!!"

Needless to say, I don't really need to correct the most obvious flaw in that accusation. I was hitting the marks from 1 and up, as she marked, too bad she can't hold agro and can't follow her own marks either. Also ugh...just....why...why do these people exist.

EDIT: I was pulling monsters of her using bane...I've never pulled things from tanks using bane before, even shit ones, this was just a VERY special case indeed.

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Originally Posted by Leices

..but you're giving individual anecdotes about bad players yourself--not the general population.

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I use examples to back up my opinion. Its not my soul experience of my dealings with said class.

As for my tanking ability, I am not referring to the boss. I can AOE taunt NPC's just fine. But I can't keep up agro if your pet keeps attacking the NPC I have marked and I lose agro on it because I am trying to keep everyone on me, while tanking the boss. If this make me a bad tank, I guess I am. But I have never had anyone complain about my tanking skills before, besides what I have mentioned. Never from healers or other DPS.

I also do not feel my tanking ability is "God Given it was earned through equal parts trial and error over the course of many years playing raid tanks. It takes a small amount of time to adjust to a new system. But its still using similar mechanics (facing a boss away from the party and so on)