More primals than elements?

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Originally Posted by Ichi

I definitely think each Beast Tribe will be able to summon a primal as we've seen even Good beast tribes (moogles) summon primals.

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As per Yoshida in the live letter...

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From a lore-perspective, Good King Moggle Mog XII is not a primal and is introduced as a sort of fairy tale which became real due to the effects of the Seventh Umbral Era. Due to this, we have to have a proper story for his appearance in ARR, and we will be implementing this via a scenario in patch 2.1.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

We have 9 explicitly

Ifrit
Leviathan
Titan
Garuda
Ramuh
Shiva
Bahamut
Odin
Behemoth

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I am counting a little more than 9

Earth: Titan
Fire: Ifrit
Wind: Garuda
Water: Leviathan
Ice: Shiva
Lightning: Ramuh
Odin
Behemoth
Elder Primal Bahamut

We know Siren will be in the game.
There's Midgardsormr

don't know if I'm forgetting any others at this moment.

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Originally Posted by Iskander

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I don't believe Midgardsormr (or Behemoth for that matter) are primals. Rather, they are just really old beasties. Midgardsormr has been referred to as a King amongst dragon kind. I believe Bahamut is the dragon's primal.

We've also seen concept art for mobs I /assume/ are primals, but may not be. They do usually appear as espers/avatars/aeons/whatever that particular FF calls summons. We've seen Typhon, Fenrir, Amon... concept art that's been repeatedly assumed to be Siren though I don't think that's been confirmed... I'm sure there are others I can't think of at the moment.

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

I wondered after this too. I think that Eorzea will be a realm very soon that will literally have more Primals than Elements. We have two named Elder Primals, Bahamut and Odin. Then there is Fenrir, where does he fit in?

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(this is my conjecture, so you can choose not to believe it)
I'd say Siren, is most likely the primal of the Mamool Ja, since Yoshi-P hinted they could have a summon later.

Just in my opinion, I'd say Fenrir, and Nidhogg are more like Midgardsomr, are not primals, but deities.

We know Eorzea will have: Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Shiva, Leviathan, Ramuh. Bahamut and Odin don't really count as far as the elemental associations go because they are elder primals.

We could add in Alexander, Valefor, Anima, Quetzalcoatl, Ixion , maybe bring in Brynhildr and Hecatoncheir from XIII, love the lore they came from, didn't really like XIII summons though.

The mere fact that Othard has/had primals gets me pretty excited.

From What I can figure. the Primals are "Embodiments" of the element By their Worshiper, so it only goes to assume that figure would take on the form of what that culture believes it to be. While channeling the energies of fire. one tribe may imagine Ifrit. while another across the sea may picture him as a Giant lizard. and a third still may picture a giant baby who farts flame. it is all in their eyes. so when the energy manifests that is the form they give him. thus explaining the overlapping elements.

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Originally Posted by Iskander

I am counting a little more than 9

Earth: Titan
Fire: Ifrit
Wind: Garuda
Water: Leviathan
Ice: Shiva
Lightning: Ramuh
Odin
Behemoth
Elder Primal Bahamut

We know Siren will be in the game.
There's Midgardsormr

don't know if I'm forgetting any others at this moment.

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Midgardsromr left a corpse.. Primals don't do that.

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Originally Posted by Taelyn

I don't believe Midgardsormr (or Behemoth for that matter) are primals. Rather, they are just really old beasties. Midgardsormr has been referred to as a King amongst dragon kind. I believe Bahamut is the dragon's primal.

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Behemoth is the first thing we see in the "Primals unleashed" trailer.

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Originally Posted by Tashyu

From What I can figure. the Primals are "Embodiments" of the element By their Worshiper, so it only goes to assume that figure would take on the form of what that culture believes it to be. While channeling the energies of fire. one tribe may imagine Ifrit. while another across the sea may picture him as a Giant lizard. and a third still may picture a giant baby who farts flame. it is all in their eyes. so when the energy manifests that is the form they give him. thus explaining the overlapping elements.

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If Primals are only the manifestation of their follower's belief then why do they seem have dealing with the Paragons themselves before they were even summoned into the world in corporeal form? It seems the Paragons have methods of communicating with the Primals while they're still part of the planet's aether and that would imply that Primals' consciousness are still active in that state and they might be much more than physical manifestation of the element shaped by belief. I find the whole matter intriguing and I'd definite love to see how this relates to the Twelves.

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Originally Posted by Glide

Good King Moggle Mog XII: Primal of the Moogles.

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Yoshida specifically said that King Moggle Mog is not a Primal in Letter from Producer VII. While he is summoned the same way as the Primals are, he is apparently not one of them. I have no idea what the difference is though.

Ifrit: Primal of the Amalj'aa.
Garuda: Primal of the Ixal.
Titan: Primal of the Kobolds.
Leviathan: Primal of the Sahagin.
Good King Moggle Mog XII: Primal of the Moogles.
Ramuh: Primal of the Sylphs.
Shiva: A confirmed primal of an unknown Beastkin to the north. All that is known is they are very large and have an icy demeanor.
Odin: described as a roaming Elder Primal.
Bahamut: primal of the Dragons; Bahamut used to be incarcerated inside Dalamud.

Midgardsormr was killed in the Battle of Silvertear Skies and its seal on the aether beneath Silvertear Lake was broken.

Out of all the beast tribes, Goblins and Qiqirn are the only ones whose primals are currently unknow

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I'd say Siren, is most likely the primal of the Mamool Ja, since Yoshi-P hinted they could have a summon later.

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OMG Siren Confirmed!
/running joke