Final Fantasy Soft vs Enix

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Tacitus isn't the only source, and there are tons of books written on the topic.

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Ok, now you've displayed a basic misunderstanding of how history works.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I would say countering the arguments and not the person is included in the definition of "manners" during discussion. Despite my attempts to provoke that in you, it's not occurred.

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So you feel that I shouldn't comment on the tone of your posts, just the content? I explained earlier why I thought that was necessary. I stand by that, so I guess this is another thing we disagree on.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I guess you can "compare" yes. I used the wrong term. You can indeed compare them and notice that they were completely different in their political stricture, ethos, values and behavior towards the conquered.

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Eorzea has not been conquered. It is being threatened. It does not want to be conquered, it wants to remain free. It's people would consider their lives under Garlemald oppressed and controlled. And, speaking of Tacitus, here's a nice summary on that Wikipedia which describes a similar dynamic (hint: it makes mention of Rome).

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Ok, now you've displayed a basic misunderstanding of how history works.

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I would say not considering multiple sources is a basic misunderstanding of how history works.

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So you feel that I shouldn't comment on the tone of your posts, just the content? I explained earlier why I thought that was necessary. I stand by that, so I guess this is another thing we disagree on.

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Then you may want not to paint yourself as paladin of courtesy, since you can't avoid resorting to personal attacks, which are the very opposite of courtesy.

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Eorzea has not been conquered. It is being threatened. It does not want to be conquered, it wants to remain free. It's people would consider their lives under Garlemald oppressed and controlled. And, speaking of Tacitus, here's a nice summary on that Wikipedia which describes a similar dynamic (hint: it makes mention of Rome).

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As a matter of fact part of Eorzea has been conquered (Ala Migho for instance), and in the conquered areas the Garlean empire behaved in a way that's radically opposite to how the Roman Empire behaved in the same situation. Let's not even go into the genocidal aspirations the empire has, that never were part of Roman philosophy.

Again, different political stricture, values, ethos and behavior towards the conquered.

If you want a semi-fitting comparison, you may want to look much nearer in history, which is normal, considering that the FANTASY backstory of Eorzea is built on modern values to appease to a modern public, and not ancient historical ones.

What the writers took from history is the flavor, and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Brick Wall

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I disagree with pretty much everything you've said about the topic, your reasoning and your comments regards myself and I've explained why in detail. I've got nothing more to add now.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

I'd go easy on him if he went easy on others. I know you can stand up for yourself (and create half an hour of light reading in the process!), but others don't. Posts like those add weight to the opinion expressed on the fan-site forums that here we are all trolls and fanboys.

When someone decides that they have no need for humility and courtesy in a public place that I frequent (online or off), it goes against my being to sit by and accept it without challenge. We're a community and a certain level of respect and decent behaviour is required to keep it together. And yes, for a large part there's no maliciousness, but taking the time to produce an interview with Yoshi-P and offering commentary on new hardware doesn't give you a right to deride other posters on your whim.

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Yes yes, I know I know. lol Just... you have to sometimes learn to take what Abriael says with a grain of salt. Yes, he can be quite rude, but I normally just shrug it off. I'll agree, he has a definite arrogant streak. But the annoyance of it gets dialed down several levels if you just smirk at it.

lol You two need to relax a bit.