PS4 already announced..

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Originally Posted by Shura

People compare console specs to PC but thats a mistake, its not the same thing; a PC would never be able to run games like the ps3 with 256mb, let alone run Win7. Based on what developers have said so far, they all claim the PS4 is really easy to develop for so thats a good thing. The thing is, when PS3 was developed, not only did it use a new architecture but there was no real manual to use the tools, so early developers had a hard time. Based on what developers have said about PS4, not only is the architecture easy to use but Sony seems to be providing support for their tools this time around, which in return makes coding for the ps4 a lot easier.

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Not sure I follow your argument because I agree with you :)
I haven't seen anything about the PS4 being easier to develop for other than what Sony has said. And well, that's kinda biased lol. If our talking about the developer's at Sony's Press conference? Well Sony pays them to be positive towards Sony at such things! Need a 3rd party opinion.

I only mentioned specs to show that the PS3 to PS4 memory was a HUGE leap in it's capabilities! I mean 512MB to 8GB is huge. And 8GB is the now average budget PC amount of memory. I make a comparison to PS4 to PC because, again, it points out how much of a leap consoles are making! It's basically a (at this point in time) a high end PC!
Which was the same thing when PS3 came out. (except the memory).

This is why I say the memory size IS a big deal in the console wars! It has limited what the consoles could do up until now!
Plus it's foolish to say that Sony didn't provide tools for the PS3. They did, that didn't get around the difficulty software developers had in programming for it!

So I'm a tad skeptical when Sony "says" that it's easier to develop for.
But hey, I'm a Sony fan too. I'm not dogging them. It's just the same song and dance we have all heard before.

In 2 yrs time PC's will have caught up to consoles and the cycle will continue all over again! (Queue the PC is dead for gaming debates) lol

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Originally Posted by Linkurrra

Not sure I follow your argument because I agree with you :)
I haven't seen anything about the PS4 being easier to develop for other than what Sony has said. And well, that's kinda biased lol.

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Not really. It's simply factual. Developing for a piece of kit that has the same architecture, or very similar, as a PC is factually easier and much less costly than developing for one that has a very different an unique architecture.

I elaborate more here if you're interested:
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/02/...-sure-they-do/

Lol i was not quoting you to argue your point, i was quoting you to use what you said about the memory and developing easy to make my point. With all the bickering on forums these days, people seemed to have forgotten that you can quote someone when you agree with them too^^

In regards to developing easy, there have been some interviews with developers who have worked with the dev kit who claim the x86 architecture makes it so much easier to develop for compared to the Cell.

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Originally Posted by Shura

Lol i was not quoting you to argue your point, i was quoting you to use what you said about the memory and developing easy to make my point. With all the bickering on forums these days, people seemed to have forgotten that you can quote someone when you agree with them too^^

In regards to developing easy, there have been some interviews with developers who have worked with the dev kit who claim the x86 architecture makes it so much easier to develop for compared to the Cell.

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Ya, sorry there. I guess you triggered my Anti-troll response there ;) No harm no foul. eh? :D

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Originally Posted by Loki_Jortunn

Troll post? i can't tell any more...

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hows it troll if sony didnt say anything but heres a pc were calling a PS4. they didnt say anything that there system can do the other 2 cant do and why people should buy it.

It took a minute for the PS3 to pick up anyway, so I'm sure FFXIV will do fine on the PS3 until they're ready to port it over to the PS4.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Not really. It's simply factual. Developing for a piece of kit that has the same architecture, or very similar, as a PC is factually easier and much less costly than developing for one that has a very different an unique architecture.

I elaborate more here if you're interested:
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/02/...-sure-they-do/

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^^Pretty much this.

How it appears is Sony has done their homework as far as making a developer-friendly console. It looks like Sony went into this project determined not to make the same mistakes they made last generation.

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Originally Posted by indira

hows it troll if sony didnt say anything but heres a pc were calling a PS4. they didnt say anything that there system can do the other 2 cant do and why people should buy it.

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If your calling it a PC because it has a motherboard, cpu, ram, gpu and soundcard then technically all consoles are PC. What makes PS4 different from past consoles and more similar to PCs is the architecture it uses, the x86. This is a PC architecture which has been well developed over the years, hence the ease of use for developers. How everything will be utilized is what counts though and this is where consoles differentiate themselves from PC. Ram and GPU for example is utilized differently in a console, hence why you can run the amazing PS3 games on a 256mb gpu, a Standard PC won't be able to do that.

Now imagine next gen console specs, such as 8 cores and 8gb ram, an architecture that has been well established over the years and console utilization. if 256mb dedicated memory can produce games like Uncharted, GoW, MGS and Last of us, imagine the possibilities next gen can do. Now this does not mean launch games are gonna be a huge leap in graphics, if anything i think it will be the least impressive jump in terms of graphics compared to past generations but it outlines possibilities developers can use.

This is true. Graphics can't get much better than what we see now as far as realism goes.

What developers can do is push more poly's. Which means we'll see more trees, objects, on the screen at the same time.
Better explosions, more leaves on tree's and dare I say it? Grass. lol Please look forward to it! ;)

Ooh, think about it, if your playing on the PS4 and somebody in your party is tanking wrong, I wonder if you can take away the controls and do it for them...
If so I say welcomed news!