SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

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Originally Posted by Hart

Its unfair for those people who can't afford to buy a chronoscroll to make money. Spin it any way you want -- buying in-game gil isn't fair to people who actually put the time in to make legitimate gil.

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You continue not to offer any actual argument. Screaming "it's unfair!" doesn't make it unfair.

Those that can't afford to buy a chronoscroll have the advantage to play entirely for free.

Those that put the time to make "legitimate" gil (airquotes obligatory, because you're not in charge of judging what is legitimate and what isn't) have the advantage to be able to use that gil to play entirely for free.

If any, those categories are the ones that benefit the most from the system.

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Originally Posted by indira

anything that involves real money other then the sub needs to stay far away from this game.

if you buy stuff with real money the AH/MW will die, crafter will become useless why work for something when you can just buy it with real money. and yeah people will go the easiest route 100% of the time.

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You are aware that you're making out statistics out of nothing right?

You say that people "will go the easiest route", but what is the easiest route? It depends on anyone's circumstances. For someone that has a lot of disposable income, the easiest route will be paying for it. For those that don't, the easiest route is obviously grinding gil in the game. For those in the middle, it depends on how much money they have at any given time.

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it destroys the economy for one. well you can also buy melded stuff what if they sold 5 meld armor then no one will craft and people will just buy everything. playing field will be very lumpy.
last thing i want to do is shell out real money.

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Evidence please. In the games where it's implemented, it didn't do ANY damage to the economy. Why would it do any damage here again?

Why would people stop crafting? Not everyone is willing to pay real money for in game goods. Even less people are willing to pay real money for ALL the in game goods they need. IE: people would continue to craft.

Ever heard the term:

If it's not broken, don't fix it?

Well, now you have.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Ever heard the term:

If it's not broken, don't fix it?

Well, now you have.

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Define broken.

A system in which gold/gilsellers prosper at the expense of players looks quite broken to me. Guess what? That applies to every single MMO in which this system isn't implemented.

Also, a system in which people that start playing the game less and/or find another game stop paying the monthly fee even if they'd like to keep their account active, but can't justify that monthly expense (not providing revenue to the developer anymore in the process) is definitely disadvantageous for all parties involved, ergo, it could definitely use some fixing.

I have to agree I see no reason this would upset the balance in the AH/MW. This is not a result of a RMT botting and NPC'ing items to inflate the game with gil. This is Gil that is in the game already that could just as easily be spent by said person to buy a triple meld weapon or whatever. But chances are the person with enough gil to buy in monthly sub has all the gear he/she needs.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

A system in which gold/gilsellers prosper at the expense of players looks quite broken to me. Guess what? That applies to every single MMO.

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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Also, a system in which people that start playing the game less and/or find another game stop paying the monthly fee even if they'd like to keep their account active, but can't justify that monthly expense (not providing revenue to the developer anymore in the process) is definitely disadvantageous for all parties involved, ergo, it could definitely use some fixing.

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Youre suggesting that chipping in $10 a month with no commitments is somehow more unfair than a random joe picking up the game and having the best gear on day 1 simply because his daddy has lots of cash to throw away...

...this couldnt cause dramatic changes to the economy, not if everyone could cough up equal amounts of real world cash to stay on par with the rest when farming, when killing. Man, but this all just got really complicated, now didn't it?

Im suggesting Quality > Quantity any day of the week.

I've got another term for you to look up: Occam's Razor.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Fixed.

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No you didn't, because in TERA and EVE RMT have very little business and less profitable (because they have to compete with the developer and the whole playerbase).

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Youre suggesting that chipping in $10 a month with no commitments is somehow more unfair than a random joe picking up the game and having the best gear on day 1 simply because his daddy has lots of cash to throw away...

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Yay strawman. The best gear is untradable, and will be even more so (as per information from the devs) in ARR. I'm sure you'll explain to me how those people will manage to somehow purchase it, right?

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Im suggesting Quality > Quantity any day of the week.

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Quality doesn't pay the bills and/or development. Quantity does.

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I've got another term for you to look up: Occam's Razor.

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I have one for you "Strawman argument". That's what you just did.

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You are aware that you're making out statistics out of nothing right?

You say that people "will go the easiest route", but what is the easiest route? It depends on anyone's circumstances. For someone that has a lot of disposable income, the easiest route will be paying for it. For those that don't, the easiest route is obviously grinding gil in the game. For those in the middle, it depends on how much money they have at any given time.

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people buy RMT gil or they woulnt exist why bother working for it is the easiest. its still money in the game it didnt magically appear.
RMT sells stuff on MW/AH they get gil then you pay money >> get gil.
this would be the same thing pay money >> get scroll >> sell it get gil.

i thought everyone was rich with tens of millions of gil? what happened? lies maybe? i bet the same people looking for a cheaper way to buy gil is all.

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Originally Posted by indira

people buy RMT gil or they woulnt exist why bother working for it is the easiest.

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Because it's not nearly the easiest for everyone. Not everyone can afford or is willing to spend money for virtual goods. I, for one, am not.

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its still money in the game it didnt magically appear.
RMT sells stuff on MW/AH they get gil then you pay money >> get gil.
this would be the same thing pay money >> get scroll >> sell it get gil.

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The problem with RMT is not that they sell money. The problem with RMT is that they 1: Spam 2: compete against players for drops in order to provide currency to ther gold selling firm.

PLEASE, Twelve, yes. I cannot like this post enough and I really, really hope it's brought to Yoshida's attention. It's been a GREAT idea in all games which have implemented it, and it's a pretty huge nail in the coffin for gilsellers, empirically.

Let me simplify it for you.


Fair.
• Everyone makes money in-game
• Everyone has paid for the same amount of time every month
• Everyone has access to crafting jobs
• Everyone has access to leves
• Everyone has access to a DoH job
• Everyone uses the same market system

Unfair.
• Not everyone has the cash to buy gil.


I don't see why the system should have to accommodate you. You're not special because you have an extra 15 dollars to spend.