Please add Ninja!!!

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Originally Posted by Amsai

Hold the tanking.

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^ This times 999,999,999 ... oh wait, take a digit off that ^^.

Blink tanking was the downfall of PLD in FFXI, and FFXIV PLDs have enough problems.

Personally I'd like to see a ninja that didn't cast elemental spells. I'm thinking they should stick with Bio, poison, tp drain and so on, perhaps an ability that lets them start a ws chain at any position.

Does Ninja turn in to Samurai or something?

NO!

/10justkiddings

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Originally Posted by Niqote

^ This times 999,999,999 ... oh wait, take a digit off that ^^.

Blink tanking was the downfall of PLD in FFXI, and FFXIV PLDs have enough problems.

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No the downfall of PLDs was all the melee hitting the enmity cap like 5 sec into a fight and having the mob bounce around between whoever had hit it last.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

No the downfall of PLDs was all the melee hitting the enmity cap like 5 sec into a fight and having the mob bounce around between whoever had hit it last.

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You're both right. Melees was able to tank a little more efficiently thanks to blinks.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

No the downfall of PLDs was all the melee hitting the enmity cap like 5 sec into a fight and having the mob bounce around between whoever had hit it last.

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Blink tanking screwed encounter design hard. You HAD to design mobs to hit super hard because otherwise NINs would trivialize the fight. Unfortunately, defense scaling in XI meant that if you used a PLD you were SOL because the hits would be too hard for you to heal and keep enmity through.

That's not going into how contrary to concept blink tanking was. I'd rather not have that mess here and instead have a wider roster of tanks in the form on BST, SAM and one other job aside from PLD and WAR.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Blink tanking screwed encounter design hard. You HAD to design mobs to hit super hard because otherwise NINs would trivialize the fight. Unfortunately, defense scaling in XI meant that if you used a PLD you were SOL because the hits would be too hard for you to heal and keep enmity through.

That's not going into how contrary to concept blink tanking was. I'd rather not have that mess here and instead have a wider roster of tanks in the form on BST, SAM and one other job aside from PLD and WAR.

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Have you played Voidwatch the current content? There is no tanking its all use fanatics drinks. Mob bounces between whoever hit it last. Unless a Mob as adds then you have a PLD hold them off to the side and thats all a PLD ever does is hold adds.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Could either introduce one class and then have them split into NIN and SAM or a class for each.

Just to see how those who were asking for wyverns would react, I would want to see them give NIN a pet dog to mimic the Shadow+Interceptor thing. Ninjutsu, throwing items and a dog, if you will.

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This is not Kiba from Naruto...

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Have you played Voidwatch the current content? There is no tanking its all use fanatics drinks. Mob bounces between whoever hit it last. Unless a Mob as adds then you have a PLD hold them off to the side and thats all a PLD ever does is hold adds.

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That was due to the crap hate system in XI. But PLD's suffering does span as far back as the discovery of blink tanking. The hate system is just part of a bigger whole.