Cosmic exploration and Occult crescent

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Originally Posted by GraceHorizon

Having started playing during Endwalker, I don’t view relics as a prestige item or a marker of effort or commitment. To me they’re just an alternate route for equipment progression. Since I leveled all jobs to cap in EW I enjoyed having easy access to a good weapon for each one. I’ve got all jobs leveled to cap again in DT and (before I realized I was burnt out on FFXIV) I was planning to get all relics to stage 4 as a better and more congenial way to equip jobs for 8.0.

As for the different ideas discussed here … I like my tomestone relics because they’re convenient, but I’d be willing to go for an accelerating progress system like Cosmic Exploration. There are 21 combat jobs and I think it’s a reasonable assumption that if someone gets two or three relics they probably want all of them; no sense making them grind excessively for the extras.

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Relics are deliberately mediocre, even as a catch-up option, until X.55. 7.41's are the same ilevel as weapons from Doomtrain EX, which released over a month prior, and both are only 5 over a crafted weapon. In terms of convenience, it's hard to beat just walking to the nearest market board.

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Originally Posted by GraceHorizon

Having started playing during Endwalker, I don’t view relics as a prestige item or a marker of effort or commitment. To me they’re just an alternate route for equipment progression. Since I leveled all jobs to cap in EW I enjoyed having easy access to a good weapon for each one. I’ve got all jobs leveled to cap again in DT and (before I realized I was burnt out on FFXIV) I was planning to get all relics to stage 4 as a better and more congenial way to equip jobs for 8.0.

As for the different ideas discussed here … I like my tomestone relics because they’re convenient, but I’d be willing to go for an accelerating progress system like Cosmic Exploration. There are 21 combat jobs and I think it’s a reasonable assumption that if someone gets two or three relics they probably want all of them; no sense making them grind excessively for the extras.

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Yeah, and this is why so many players have been complaining about that. FFXIV is a mmo that always tried to respect your time, but it's still a mmo. As such, it used to understand it was important to give players that wanted to dive deeper into the game some kind of long term objectives. Relics were that : When they removed the relic grind, they removed the promise of the mmo genra, which was you could spend as much time as you wanted in the permanent virtual world. The promise to always have something to do. I can understand you not wanting to have to farm too much to get a decent weapon, but as some said, there are easy enough option for that : the market board, the 780 weapons that just ask you for doing 7 time (then 4) the last fight of the raid tier. Making relics glorified tomestone weapon more than what it is, it's the reason some people call FFXIV a "ORPG".

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Originally Posted by GraceHorizon

There are 21 combat jobs and I think it’s a reasonable assumption that if someone gets two or three relics they probably want all of them; no sense making them grind excessively for the extras.

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This logic makes no sense to me, why should you be given easier paths to get more just because “they want them all”

If you Want all of something shouldn’t you work to get all of it

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

I can't help to wonder why the fighters relics, which are relics for the core gameplay of the game, got done so dirty compared to the crafters and gatherers ones.

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Oh but this goes for EVERY OTHER CONTENT in this game that isn't PvE.

For some ungodly reason this team loves to undertune and undercut what should have been considered the bread and butter/core gameplay of the game.

It's apparently OK to make fishing of all things a "hardcore" challenge that requires you to be alert for fishes that can only be caught during minute-long windows at 4 AM every few weeks or months.
It's OK to make crafter and gatherer relics require engaging with the expansion's current side content for those jobs even if that requires countless hours of dedication.
Island Sanctuary's spreadsheet simulator took a whole patch cycle's worth to be completed.

But PvE progression?

No, that one needs to be QUICK AND EASY. Can't have the players waste time engaging with the main gameplay loop of this genre of game when they should be gathering, fishing or crafting instead!
Combat during MSQ must be minimal outside of duties. Combat only gets in the way of the text reading and cutscene watching you know?
Relics must be progressed through duty roulettes or re-running duties from 7+ years ago that give nobody any trouble. Why include more friction in maxing your combat relics? For prestige? HAH! Prestige is pointless! Unless you're a gatherer or crafter, then prestige is awesome apparently.
If you really must have challenging PvE then go do your weekly raids. But the reward structure and stressful body-check-driven design will be put in place to make sure you don't dare and find ways to engage with this any more than maybe 1 hour per week. Aren't you happy those pesky raids won't get in the way of all that time you will have for more fishing and house decoration instead?
You want more adventure forays? Eh whatever here have one more. But we'll try not to encourage you to engage with it for too long. Oh woops we made what should have been the payoff for the grind there a discord-exclusive duty... ah well who cares, go back to your gposing and fishing.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

This logic makes no sense to me, why should you be given easier paths to get more just because “they want them all”

If you Want all of something, shouldn’t you work to get all of it

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Yes, this is what need in DT how we need to make grinding the relics which are already not good at the release into a second job :confused:

Also, I do the DT relics for now for myself because I like to collect them for alt jobs and I don't care if anyone out there is thinking oh X person isn't a real dedicated ffxiv fan because I didn't have to grind like 10k paste for each one because other longer and more tedious grinds for achievement already exist like collecting 500k points in Cosmo or the opening the fate carrot chests.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

Yes, this is what need in DT how we need to make grinding the relics which are already not good at the release into a second job :confused:

Also, I do the DT relics for now for myself because I like to collect them for alt jobs and I don't care if anyone out there is thinking oh X person isn't a real dedicated ffxiv fan because I didn't have to grind like 10k paste for each one because other longer and more tedious grinds for achievement already exist like collecting 500k points in Cosmo or the opening the fate carrot chests.

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Yeah I have never really understood why people get so hung up on judging other players "dedication" as they call it. I love this game and what others do with their time or how they reach their goals has never been my business. I’ve never looked at someone’s relic, mount, or minion and thought "wow, they worked for that" or "they didn’t put in enough effort". I just focus on my own experience.

That said, I still think the SHB relic system was the best. The first one was a big grind and extra weapons felt reasonable while still making you engage with the content. :) I wasn't a big fan of Eureka and after EW I'm kind of tired of tome farming. It's not the worst, but it's also not that fun.

I don't think Cosmic tools are any fun as it's a numb game of "craft 1000 times so you get a relic" job. Doing same thing over and over again. This is why we now have a lot of 3rd party things that speed up process and why everybody you check on cosmic is afk crafting 24/7 non stop. All using tools. Specially for that system to become a star on planet and have your name on it.