The Hypocrisy of 'Sinister' (M9): Lyrics vs. Player Conduct Standards

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Originally Posted by Carstien

Okay so this is pretty open and shut. You referred to another player as a human dog, then told them to go f themself. And you're...comparing it to a risque song?

Allow me to help. The words you said were not the problem individually, the way you said them and directed them at another player was the problem. Be a better person because you're not on the street, you're in a game they own and broke social rules they made.

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the game legit has npcs calling people "female dogs" but not that words the word for that female dog, maybe get over yourself if your on that social rules please it was 3 words basicly a natural reflex everyone has.. and dont lie if someone cuts you off on the road you would say something "negative" as reflex lol

Don't even take that high horse bs, it should been fine and walk away dont be a ... over something so small that EVERYONE will say
something similar when in a frustrated state.. doesn't matter if its on a street or a forum/game


my point is the game has been hypocritical for years on their rules, compared to what they put in the game this song is just another case of it
if your that sad to be bothered by 3 words like that, you don't belong online period just maybe don't piss someone off and they won't direct something at you which is why these "social rules" are bs to start with when you anger someone somethings like that are natural reflexs to say, i mean its like hitting your toe kinda of reflex

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Originally Posted by NecroprincessCleo

As for respect: sorry, no respect isn't automatically given, hell, I don't respect anyone outside maybe 6 people for the simple fact they are human.

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You do not have free reign to run around insulting people, spamming the chat, or violating sexual boundaries because you don't believe they deserve respect. If you're at a grocery store or a park, really any public space, and you start doing dirty talk loud enough for people to hear you, it is reasonable to be asked to leave. If you're yelling, or cussing at someone standing in your way, you will be asked to stop. These are the same social contract standards you agreed to when registering to play.

Further, story content and player interactions are not comparable. For instance a reveal during StB involves sexual assault and physical abuse, which a character narrates. It is not the same as seeing someone recounting their real life experiences with such things in a place where anyone can see them. It is therefore reasonable to report someone e.g. in Limsa or a DF party who brings such a thing up in chat. ESRB may not rate online interactions but the game gaining a reputation as the place where people are constantly trauma dumping in the chat is unpleasant for players and alienating to outsiders. You see where this could also apply to sexual content?

Also, to correct some misconceptions, the current ESRB rating is T (Teen) and specifically lists sexual themes and partial nudity on the Steam page. PEGI rates it 16+. "PG-13" is the US Motion Picture Associating rating system and is mainly used for consideration of movie theaters. For comparison's sake, Minecraft is 10+, Deltarune and Marvel's Snap and Spiderman are rated T, Persona 3/4/5 are rated M17+, and for movies Five Nights at Freddy's, Nolan's Batman, and Lord of the Rings are all rated PG-13. These guidelines are fluid and meant mainly for corporate distribution and advertising laws (which is why they differ in various countries), though parents do tend to mistakenly rely on them.

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Originally Posted by KihyiFelhede

You do not have free reign to run around insulting people, spamming the chat, or violating sexual boundaries because you don't believe they deserve respect. If you're at a grocery store or a park, really any public space, and you start doing dirty talk loud enough for people to hear you, it is reasonable to be asked to leave. If you're yelling, or cussing at someone standing in your way, you will be asked to stop. These are the same social contract standards you agreed to when registering to play.

Further, story content and player interactions are not comparable. For instance a reveal during StB involves sexual assault and physical abuse, which a character narrates. It is not the same as seeing someone recounting their real life experiences with such things in a place where anyone can see them. It is therefore reasonable to report someone e.g. in Limsa or a DF party who brings such a thing up in chat. ESRB may not rate online interactions but the game gaining a reputation as the place where people are constantly trauma dumping in the chat is unpleasant for players and alienating to outsiders. You see where this could also apply to sexual content?

Also, to correct some misconceptions, the current ESRB rating is T (Teen) and specifically lists sexual themes and partial nudity on the Steam page. PEGI rates it 16+. "PG-13" is the US Motion Picture Associating rating system and is mainly used for consideration of movie theaters. For comparison's sake, Minecraft is 10+, Deltarune and Marvel's Snap and Spiderman are rated T, Persona 3/4/5 are rated M17+, and for movies Five Nights at Freddy's, Nolan's Batman, and Lord of the Rings are all rated PG-13. These guidelines are fluid and meant mainly for corporate distribution and advertising laws (which is why they differ in various countries), though parents do tend to mistakenly rely on them.

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I mean you have a block tool and you can just ignore it if you dislike it lol, I mean atleast irl you could agrue you cant really ignore it but the game legit gives u tools to block w/e your uncomfortable with I legit have a few things on that list just because i know how angry i get on certain things... And their is a difference of actively going seeking a fight, and saying a sware word/ or something out of defense from being angry... I highly doubt anyone is just saying things for the hell of it, no, typically someone forces you to swear at them by their own actions/and words.

Some of us really have bigger switchs than others, and I'm sorry noone should be banned from a reflex when they angry or set into fight mood.. ya irl if im asked to leave over something I didn't start but i will fight back I won't leave period.


I mean irl its easier mostly cuz my cg/partner dom keeping me calm but sorry im not going to feel bad for attacking if you set me off which is why I don't want him to play this game because if he saw half the things i say and do i doubt id be playing for longer lol

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Originally Posted by NecroprincessCleo

no, typically someone forces you to swear at them by their own actions/and words.

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So someone "forced" you to insult them over "pieces of armor", and you now find it hypocritical that it's OK for a song with innuendo to be in a raid but not OK for you to insult people because they can just block you. Got it. Real productive day here at the forums.

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Originally Posted by KihyiFelhede

So someone "forced" you to insult them over "pieces of armor", and you now find it hypocritical that it's OK for a song with innuendo to be in a raid but not OK for you to insult people because they can just block you. Got it. Real productive day here at the forums.

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again Im just saying the games TOS is hypocritcal not only for that song, but also because the msq/ and npcs the game is legit rated for language,drugs and sexual stuff in the base ratitng lol

like if we applyed the TOS to the game they MADE, THE game itself would be banned that is the definition of hypocritcal lol which you admit with the stormblood msq lol

and its been hypocritical before even HW came out

also being passive aggressive, setting someone off by anger/mood is yes forcing them to insult also please most people don't even see that as a insult, i mean for me its my own personal way of insulting ppl but the rule is "most people would find" which most wouldn't and don't sadly i know that irl when i use those same words out of anger most laugh at me sadly instead of taking it seriouse, although my partner who is my cg knows most dont

which also brings me to FYI, something you view as sexual might not be sexual it may be there as a way of comfort and safety feeling fyi in public i wear something that has a kinda leash to it just in case i get rlly upset, yes i hide it typically but its there just in case my partner needs to tug it to keep me calm and from getting in trouble its not sexual although all the freaks will think it is but you assuming something is doesn't make it even if the majority assumes doesn't make it so hint hint Salem witch trails shows us that

using myself as an example i have no emotional controll or impulse controll if it wasnt for my partner id spend 3k in store without care on something like mh dolls or legit open the box in the store to sit and play with when im in a good mood, and when im in a bad mood i want to burn everything down so that thing being a type of "leash" isn't sexual its a way to keep me out of trouble and calm when in public even though the public will view it as sexual.

Point being " just because it looks sexual/or insulting etc doesn't make it so" its impossible to know another person unless you are in their body/life to see and understand that person thats why rules like tos are stupid asf to start with
im sorry but the TOS is just wrong in general, for so many reasons.


which is the entire proplem with tos..

A. the story does it so honestly we should be allowed to
B. For words you don't know if its sexual or w/e for that case its impossible for you 2 be able to unless your in their shoes or know them personally.

and C. their are cases both irl/in games where the rule your saying was broken wasnt but it doesn't matter to them because its based on the "majority," which is bs for alot of cases

But everyone doesn't say something similar in similar circumstances? To my friends, sure, but to people I don't know saying anything about my gear, performance, anything at all, if I can't say something nice I don't say anything at all. It's not to take the high road, it's not about morality at all because I absolutely want to say something quite rude to them but I don't because I can control myself. There are rules and I follow them because I agreed to them, whether I think they are too strict or not.

Which for the record, I do, I'd prefer if you can't get suspended for something as mild as what you said, but that isn't the case so you have to just be the better person. Vent to a friend, that's what I do. Apologies if I implied any differently, I didn't intend to but my working could have sucked.

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Originally Posted by NecroprincessCleo

ive legit had a ban for just saying the thing the avarage person says when frustrated on the street the go f yourself .. so no I believe them with how the avarage player is so pathetic they will report over any little thing because they didnt like it, or get on the high horse on the rules... you want proof of that

" Relevant sections from the FINAL FANTASY XIV Forum Guidelines:
Use of inappropriate or aggressive language. Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members. Doing anything that is prohibited in the Square Enix Account Terms of Use. Taking any other actions that are deemed inappropriate by Square Enix in our sole discretion.



gms/community are pathic over small things to scared of being upset by "anything" negative and its pathetic I'm sorry this is to softcore bs over small things with the rules themself the way they are written are horrible, that people will legit nick pick a word or to because they either a. Dont like you or B. hate your viewpoint/thoughts and will weaponize the rules

which yes does happan if you are outside the box in any shape or form online anymore people get on their high horse and weaponize bs rules and stuff

legit all was said was telling someone to f off, and the gms weaponize the rules of oh "you were creating a negative impact bs" when no i was frustrated and telling someone to just go away thats not negative lol

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Bro. Sis. Person. Pal. Buddy. You're the reason why we need GMs. This isn't twitter 2021 anti space, it also isn't 2011 free to play MMORPGs. Bro. If this is part of the trolling, it's bad because it's too obvious, lol.

e/: Also, just play on VC with friends and make fun of the idiocy you encounter? That's what I do, lol. Or, if their behavior constitutes an offense (intentional griefing, language like the type you used, AFKing in a duty etc), just kick them.

I mean, I'm very glad that your affliction is a self-solving one at least. Be on your merry way.

Extend the empathy you want to see in action, please.

Is this the sequel to VampirePrincess all over again or something?