Patch 8.0 - How long is too long to wait?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I remember that WoW only managed that because they bought out a nearby studio with 100 developers whose game had collapsed, and before that they were struggling to recruit and had far longer patch gaps than FFXIV.

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So if Blizzard needed fewer than 100 new employees from a dying company to fix WoW's cadence, what's stopping SE?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

So if Blizzard needed fewer than 100 new employees from a dying company to fix WoW's cadence, what's stopping SE?

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Just like Blizzard was struggling to recruit, SE has said the same in the Famitsu interview recently.

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

the moment the director started selling 8.0 as the job adjustment expac, it was too late. also feel like im getting gaslit every time someone starts raving about the so called "enhanced encounter design" shown so far during this expac too. if mechanics coming out slightly faster is all it takes to impress someone then small wonder this game is so cooked.

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I've said before that all their "improved encounter design" amounts to is just "make fight go faster". Because that's all they know how to do. So they ruined BLM for... this George Lucas-tier "faster and with more intensity" slop. I'm not really surprised that all it takes to impress most players is "make fight go faster" though. DON'T THINK JUST DO MECHANIC AND GET HYPE FOR NEXT MECHANIC! If you want to just make this a damn twitch-reflexes game just get off the fence and do it. Oh wait, your shit netcode doesn't allow for snappy gameplay. I'm so done with this dev team.

EDIT: I mean, seriously, I just watched the new Trial on Youtube. There's literally nothing in that fight that warrants what they did to BLM. Nothing. I predicted and could have tapdanced around every mechanic in that trial without even breaking a sweat with the tools BLM had before the senseless job changes. Hell, I'd argue things like Hades Normal/EX were harder than [REDACTED, but c'mon you all know who it is]. I can't imagine that the EX is SO much harder that it would require the ability to tapdance around for 5 minutes as a caster. Seriously, this dev team sucks.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Just like Blizzard was struggling to recruit, SE has said the same in the Famitsu interview recently.

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Yes, and as bad as it was for Blizzard, they at least conduct business in what is the de facto lingua franca, English. SE also piles on the ridiculous secondary expectation of "also be a fluent Japanese speaker".

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Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris

I've said before that all their "improved encounter design" amounts to is just "make fight go faster". Because that's all they know how to do. So they ruined BLM for... this George Lucas-tier "faster and with more intensity" slop. I'm not really surprised that all it takes to impress most players is "make fight go faster" though. DON'T THINK JUST DO MECHANIC AND GET HYPE FOR NEXT MECHANIC! If you want to just make this a damn twitch-reflexes game just get off the fence and do it. Oh wait, your shit netcode doesn't allow for snappy gameplay. I'm so done with this dev team.

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The Lucas quote is "Louder, faster, more intense", which SE transformed into "Brighter, faster, more intense".

And then people wonder why no one outside you forum users take you seriously.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

And then people wonder why no one outside you forum users take you seriously.

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Nice ad hominem, you really added to the discussion, there.

Doesn't really matter to me. I still have plenty of things to do in FFXIV (mainly getting into crafting/gathering and tribes/allied society things), and if I ever run out, I'll just take a break and come back. I'm currently playing FFII and C&C 3 alongside FFXIV, so I'm in no hurry.

8.0 will be make or break for a lot of people. It needs to be good and it needs to bring significant changes.

I would rather wait until 2027 for 8.0 than for them to re-release Stormblood for the 4th time.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

YoshiPR's lip service aside, they seem to firmly be in their "They will unconditionally eat slop and beg us for more" phase and just assume that players will put up with any kind of quality or schedule and just stay subbed forever. I'm not expecting anything before Q2 2027.

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Yeah WoW went through that phase, too. It damn near killed the game. Difference between Blizz and CSIII is Blizz actually pulled their heads out of their asses and started to fix their game. Yoshida is still in the "rockstar who can do no wrong" phase.

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Originally Posted by Kirutsuki

I am ok with waiting longer than usual if it means the end product is a bit more polished and juicier for just semi-casual stuff.
If i means they can add stuff to the open world exploration aspects I'm 100% for it to take 6-8months longer to release than usual.

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Problem is, things just keep taking longer, and longer, and longer.... and we dont actually get better content.

Id rather see it delayed IF they work on improving the game. Maaaajor new gameplay and QoL features. If not? 8.0 was and still is my limit.

If they try to gaslight us for a 2nd time with "its coming in the patches" or the same formula again Im out. This game needs a shakeup. Im not gonna keep paying a sub for bare minimum dev effort