The waste of good character

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Originally Posted by Wired-Lain

Pour one out for my buddy Otis, died defending a respawning hologram who was the villain anyway.

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He was too likable to live. I knew seconds after we met him that he would manage to die somehow, but that didn’t make it any easier.

Such is the tragic fate of all beings in this world: you must be boring, or you must be dead. Or both. (…Or permanently locked in non-MSQ questlines that will never get a continuation. Almost forgot about that one.)

This game has always been bad about killing off or sidelining interesting characters and not doing much with the main cast to make them more interesting. Pretty much every single character I like and had any attachment to is dead and gone at this point. Minfillia (yeah I liked her), Moenbryda, Haurchefant, Ysayle, Zenos, Yotsuyu, Emet-Selch, Hythlodaeus, Venat... These are all the characters I found myself caring about the most. And then some others I enjoyed like Aymeric, Yugiri, Hien, Gosetsu, Fordola, Ryne, and Lyna, barely exist anymore.

But after watching G'raha go from the Crystal Exarch to the catboy-shaped cardboard standee he is in Dawntrail, maybe that's for the best. Most fan fiction writers treat these characters with more love and care and nuance than the current writing team does anymore.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

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Just because you turned it into a shitty meme doesn't make the complaints any less true.

I think key to good characters is to use them appropriately and when needed, and much less putting them onscreen 99% of the time for a 40 hour expansion

If Shadowbringers was 'Speak with Emet Selch' 138 times and he keeps repeating himself about Ascians, Ancients, Zodiarks blabla on and on, I think most players would end up happy to finally end him in the final trial

Venat and Emet-Selch got plenty. Sphene IMO wasn't a particularly great character. She was like diet emet-selch with the desire to protect her people/world even if it means destroying others except the unsustainability of what she was doing made her stupid as well as genocidal, lacking any of the nuance Emet had. And she was an ancient ai not a yount princess thrust onto the throne too young.

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Originally Posted by Wired-Lain

Pour one out for my buddy Otis, died defending a respawning hologram who was the villain anyway.

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One of the most hilarious scene in the game tbh. If there were an oscar for "the most pointless sacrifice", this would be at least a nomination if not outright winner.

Like ... the fact she immediately de-spawn less than 10 seconds after that, leaving behind the lifeless platform he just died defending ... and the camare even zoom into it a bit ... is just like peak irony.

It almost feels like the programmers building the scene was trying to tell the writer "do you realize how stupid this look?".

What I they need do multiple quest arc for let suppose they bought the emet selcht venet and hythlodeaus as students of baldesion. They have learn live in this world and explore it. Partner up with WoL they get explore the world not as those tried save it but as those unbearned by that as students tried experience the world they fought save. Usually one has little time to see beauty when you have goal that bigger then the world.

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Originally Posted by Collin_Sky

Keeping good characters around too long is how good characters turn into boring characters.

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Yeah, it also lowers the stakes, a lot. The Scions are practically invincible now with how much plot armor they have.

At least this time around the didn't pretend to "kill" a Scion only to undo that 15 seconds to minutes later.

The next time a Scion "dies", they need to stay dead. It sucks, but they're placed in life or death situations all the time, death would eventually catch up with one.

Kill Wuk Lamar would be a good thing in my opinion that character has plot armor 10 feet thick

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Originally Posted by Tunda

We are hear to play a good story.. not to have bad characters that even hurts the minority image..

Why not giving us deep smart and strong woke chacater?

Lamati exisistance feels insulting tbh

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How is she 'woke'? Wuk Lamat's a cisgendered female who may-or-may-not be WoL-sexual like most of the other NPCs. I don't think anyone can even argue that the writers were trying to make her a 'girl boss', they knowingly wrote her to be dumb but well meaning and in constant need of others' aid or opinions. ꉂ (´∀｀)ʱªʱªʱª