How do you feel about Viper?

Viper is a mess. It's fun in its own right because of the speed and weaving. But the job feel automated by how its GCDs work. There not much the really think about and input error is almost a none issue with everything weaving into each other. A bit too far in s simplification and strikes me as that kind of job that is fun for a minute, but will gets boring quick.

Honestly disappointed that the twin-blade is just a design aesthetic. It would have been neat if they leaned into the different stances do different things aspect. But i guess that would add too much complexity for this job.

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Originally Posted by ArckThanis

Viper is a mess. It's fun in its own right because of the speed and weaving. But the job feel automated by how its GCDs work. There not much the really think about and input error is almost a none issue with everything weaving into each other. A bit too far in s simplification and strikes me as that kind of job that is fun for a minute, but will gets boring quick.

Honestly disappointed that the twin-blade is just a design aesthetic. It would have been neat if they leaned into the different stances do different things aspect. But i guess that would add too much complexity for this job.

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I join you there, the job is mostly the same thing, hard to learn at first then quickly becomes monotonous at the point where the only thing that changes from fight to fight are the positionals.
If the boss fly away you just refresh all your buff and debuff with dreadwinder.

For example Reaper needs to manually refresh Death Design, Build Harvest Moon during downtime, use Arcane Crest correctly.
Viper feels like the melee version of Machinist but with even less to manage.

The “Summoner” of Melees for sure. Im not quite sure melee has that niche but hey

VPR is very fun, I've always wanted a melee with this level of speed and button presses. However I think it deserves to be higher in dealing damage because it has no raid utility, no personal mitigation, and no personal self-healing. It is a pure, selfish DPS and as such should deal more damage to compensate.

To easy, to job breaking. Its a really simple job with very high dps potential. I smell a nerf and its deserved. But fun Job ya, its satisfies how your Character unleashes tons of attacks on the enemy.

I think Reaper is more fun to play, but I did get Viper to 100 first. It suffers from a really bad class introduction because the combo system seems so dense and complicated, but honestly after a couple hours it starts to sync and you realize the class is really just about it's combo flow and absolutely nothing else. Other than doing feint on a boss fight when I see a big aoe or tank buster about to happen (any melee dps can do this) there is no utility, and the only self heals in case of a goof are again the same self heals every melee gets. People complain about positionals but it isn't monk, there are only 2 positionals. North star cooldown is low enough that half the time you can just proc it and you are GTG for the whole positional rotation without having to move.

I do think the zany level 100 9 hit combo is kinda fun and being able to run around like a alucard wannabe in your glam is funny. In all fairness it also gets a reward for literally just being "do your combo the class" it seems to have really high dps.

I think it's an incredibly fun job, someone on Reddit has the stats that show it has the highest casts per minute (or apm), just one more over ninja. If they lower it from there I think it'll take away the only unique thing about the job. I think being a bit more "automated" is fine if the job has to press the most per minute.

Which is why I'm a little worried about them removing the "busyness" of the job. If anything, make it more busy lol

I enjoy the job, and I think the only thing I'd want to be tweaked about it is for the OGCDs to not go away if you start a new combo.

It just feels clunky if whatever reason you're unable to get the OGCDs off during the last GCD of a combo (The most common reasons being either mechanics forcing you away or the target dying) which forces you to either to do them raw or lose them.

I definitely think its fun, I find busyness fun as a monk player so it fills that hole for me but I just wish you got a tiny bit more from it a lower levels (like shifting down ouroboros to 90 with reawaken) it feels SO underwhelming at lower levels which is fine but its just sad that it has so little to it

Looks very cool but the gameplay is completely braindead so I didn't find it fun at all. That's okay though, it's a new job and not every job has to appeal to everyone.