No no, it's Rise OVER Run; and other Math you get wrong. [VERY Strong Opinion; Bozja]

So small child discovers that some game rewards aren't easy to get and throws a wall-of-text temper tantrum in the game's official forums.

Got it.

I've got a couple of friends and know several other players with the mount. They didn't have a problem putting in the work needed to get it. Most of them did (or still) enjoy Bozja as content.

The mount might have been fun to have but I hate Bozja myself and don't feel any reward is doing content I don't like. No loss, I've got other mounts I like.

Take a good long look at your own signature. Is having the mount that important to you? Then put in the effort required. If others have done it, so can you. If it's not that important, then move on and don't waste time bashing content that others do enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Nexae

Your "contribution" here was arrogance and elitism.

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Your posts are arrogant beyond description. Jeeqbit is very good at trying to put things into a gaming perspective, whether someone agrees with their opinions or not.

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Originally Posted by Nexae

You obviously tried to pander to the Dark Souls and Elden Ring players of the world, but you forgot to remove the 1-2 hour cooldown. So now you have Final Elden Soul by Square Enix: Time-Gate Edition.

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Never thought I'd see someone say "Bozja is the Dark Souls of FFXIV".
Anyway Bozja is MMO content. When I was farming the notes I never once thought it was boring or that the hours spent were "fruitless", because there were other players to talk to. The grind was fun because it made the MMO actually feel like an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Nexae

With what I was read, and frankly TOLD, I really hope that isn't the case. I asked around a lot, and despite still needing record #11, I was told MDK procs a Duel.

.. so maybe add 'Bad Actors' to the number of reason Bozja should prrooooooobably still be in the hands of the Empire.

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Feels like this needs to be further addressed, because.. yeah. Regularly spawning skirmishes don't lead to duels. Critical Engagements (the ones you have to register for, the ones with a confined arena) spawn duels. And said Critical Engagements are themselves spawned by specific skirmishes, which are themselves only spawned by chain killing Garlean troops in their respective regions.

And, technically speaking, none of the duels are truly required to collect all notes. The duel notes are also available from the respective final instances (Castrum and Dalriada), albeit at a very low drop rate. I wouldn't exactly bank on them ever actually dropping.. but if duels just aren't for you..

Much like any of the other high-end hard fight content, it's always wise to do your research. Going in blind is always an option, sure, but it's only going to result in.. well, this. At least here you can watch others try and fail and maybe learn from their mistakes, but it's still a lot to process.

Also, in addition to the advice of Zadnor being for mettle farming, you'll also just plain want/need to progress simply for more Lost Actions, many of which can be quite useful in making the duels just a little bit easier.

For absolute clarity, MDK drops dabog's note at a pretty low drop rate. The Gabriel duel with the guaranteed drop is from doing vigil for the lost without vuln stacks.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

I will read the whole thing, don't worry, but just to respond to your TL;DR:

My time in Bozja was one of the most fun times I've had in the game, period. Efficiency hardly matters when the content is FUN. Running around collecting goodies while a raid boss pops every few minutes was a great gameplay loop and it absolutely worked for me. This may be a controversial opinion, but Bozja runs miles around Eureka. If you hate Bozja then I suggest staying far, far away from Eureka because it's worse in every way possible. Bozja was a massive improvement, and I hope they go further in that direction in Endwalker.

EDIT: Okay I've read your post, and this is what I have to say:

I do think there is some validity to nerfing the time-gated mechanics in Bozja, simply because the content is older now. However, I don't think it's likely they'll do that since they still haven't nerfed Eureka in that way (strictly in terms of how long things take to spawn).

In my opinion, clearing the CE's without taking any damage in order to fight the 1v1 duel, and then clearing that duel, is one of the best feeling sensations FFXIV has ever had (and may ever have). Nothing compares to conquering a savage-level fight all on your own while dozens of people cheer you on on the sidelines. Yes, it takes a mastery of the mechanics, and you need to be hyperfocused, but that just makes it all the more rewarding.

And about the mount you're trying to get. There are some mounts in the game that take hundreds of hours to obtain. I should know because I'm currently trying to unlock every mount in the game. Al Iklil (or however it's spelled) isn't the worst. Yes, it's incredibly frustrating to rely on the RNG from the FATEs that drop the notes you need, but that's all the more reason to study up and conquer the 1v1 duels!

So, I will accept that Bozja isn't for everyone. But it's the effort you put in that makes the rewards feel so much more worth it. If you don't have the time for that, then fair enough (although I had a full-time job the entire time I progressed through Bozja/Zadnor/SaveTheQueen, and I have obtained every single achievement you can obtain from it). But it's certainly doable if you're willing to put in the time and appreciate the content for what it is.

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Easiest solution: Allow BLU in the old outdated content it was meant to be played in (to include POTD, HoH, Eureka, Bozja etc etc)

I can understand some aspects are frustrating when playing it now, but this doesn't mean the content is trash and horrible and all the bad things and would deserve geting shot in a dark alley just because you don't like it. Especially considering it wasn't originally designed to be binged like this and finished in a week, rather the exact opposite. It was a thing to keep people busy during the patches and as wobbly as the definition is, also falling into the range of "midcore" content, so not really a thing for everyone to begin with. It is this kind of content I am absolutely missing in this patch cycle and hope I'll see it again in Dawntrail, because it was really fun for me to do when Shadowbringers was current content. You are saying you have to be unemployed and no life or whatever to like this and manage to do this, but this is completely missing the point of why Bozja exists. It can be managed with a life quite well, you just have to have the desire to work towards a goal in this game in these three years or what between expansions when nothing else meets your fancy like this.

It is not designed to be finished in three days, nor is it designed to be an easy casual walk, why would you even expect it to be nerfed so much it would be possible to do so?
Should they adjust a few things futher to account for less people playing it nowadays? Yeah maybe. The devs need to adjust it to make it a bit less time consuming to account for things. They already added an absurdly strong echo to the three big duties and made it so you don't need 24 people for DR anymore, that was nice. (They could've cut short the queue timer a bit, waiting 10 minutes extra when you already got your group in party finder is kinda annoying.) Maybe they could improve the spawn rate of the duels or detach them from other FATEs and just add them to the normal spawn cycle like all others. However, considering the amount of midcore content in this game is already really really small, with a ton of extreme, savage and ultimate content on one side and all the story dungeons and normal modes of things on the other, I would very much be opposed to having the fights themselves nerfed into oblivion just so people can farm this in three days and be done with it. (Variant Dungeons and Criterion Dungeons were supposed to be midcore, but only Variant is. Some experienced raiders I know compared some fights in Criterion to Savage and Ultimates... Thanks for nothing, CBU3.)

You have so so so many other types of content that is easier to do, can be easer done now with unsynced modes and what not. Please let us midcore players have this and accept some content might need more time and effort or is simply not for you and that's okay. Plenty of content in this game is not for me either, so what. (I actually don't have all field notes either, I was busy getting stuff for multiple relics together back then and now, and this patch cycle I focused on Eureka, crafting/gathering and replaying the MSQ with alts. :D Still on my bucket list though.)

First of all Ilkil is meant to be a mount for people that wants to farm. It's like the Amaro mount, the TT card, mount, the Ozma mount, the freaking pterodactyl mount or any savage mount. They're meant to be reward for that go deep into the game. It's a reward not meant for casual players, but for people that like farming. Bozja is meant to be content for more classical MMO players, relatively long farm that meant to be retaining content that wants to play a long time. (And FFXIV farm isn't that long anyway, anyone that played a korean mmo will tell you that). Bozja Zadnor is only a 10 to 15 hours if you focus on the storyline. You don't want to involve yourself more, fine, but stop wanting to get everything given to you, because that ruining the game for other people. Because the lack of that kind of content is exactly what lead to the "nothing to do"/"relics suck" complaints in EW.


Now about your points

1 > getting 25 mil mettle is not that long. in zadnor, that about 4 hours of following the train.
2 > I'm kinda with you on people often not knowing the fight, that might be frustrating.
3 > at this point there are dozen a guides to tell you which is what, and most of lost fragment can be bought with bozja crystal, or on the market board. In a normal play, you'll basically need 2 or 3 actions and essences per class (get that to 4 or 5 counting DR). The rest is optional. You want to have them all? Most of the fragment can give you 2 or 3 different essences or actions. Those who can give more are drop like fly. You can buy 5 or 6 of each of them for cheap, and get your whole library unlocked.
4 > Once again farm for people who like that, for people who want to engage with the game on the long run.
5 > NONE of duel is mandatory for the field notes. There a few specific note (#14 for sure, I think #11 is somewhere there too) that are easier to get on a duel than in a CE, and need some kind of drop rate boost (I mean not 14 has a very low drop rate on a CE that's activated with the fate that spawn once every blue moon, it's the worst of time combination + abysmal droprate). But even there, those duels are easily cheesable. And once again, it's meant to be farm for people that want to engage with the game on the long run.
6 > wait, is that a "you have to complete the story to finish the story" complain. I'm not sure I get what this is about.
7 > I can see how this one is frustrating. It's something from old mmo, where you lost Xp when you died (but you also could lvl down, which we don't have here, and that's a good thing). But IIRC, you don't lose xp when you're rezed by someone. Just shout, and most of the time, someone will come and rez you. Fates are not that hard (even red chocobo), it's mostly a consequence of point 2, and then 10 people needing to do the job on a Fates scale for 30, because all the other died because they could not read the fight.

I agree with you Time=/=difficulty. But that's the thing, bozja is not meant to be hard. It's meant to be more classical mmo content, that asks a lot of farming. It's meant to be waiting content for people that engage with the game a lot between patches. I can understand how it's frustrating for some player, but some people really enjoy that, and it's important to have. It sure could be more satisfying, but needing less time to achieve is not the solution. I mean look at the backlash on EW relics. It's not even about the relics themselves, it's about this content being the retaining content for people that want to engage more deeply with the game.

I've farmed bozja like hell, I really liked it. and it kinda annoys me when people want to streamline the experience because it ask too much engagement for them. FFXIV is full of content that doesn't need much engagement, that's one time and never again. it's like 80 to 90% of the FFXIV content. So please, if you don't like that, just don't engage with it, but leave it to people that enjoy that. It's not a problem if you don't have all the mount. I mean Pterodactyl or the bicolor gemstone mount (the one that aske for something like 3500 fates) are too much grind for me. I feel they're just not worth my time and just didn't try to get them (and it's from someone who would love the pterodactyl).

It asks too much of you, just leave it. It's just a game, and there are tons of other content in the game that don't ask you that much engagement.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

So small child discovers that some game rewards aren't easy to get and throws a wall-of-text temper tantrum in the game's official forums.

Got it.

I've got a couple of friends and know several other players with the mount. They didn't have a problem putting in the work needed to get it. Most of them did (or still) enjoy Bozja as content.

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So you bring nothing but insults because you have nothing to contribute yourself, refusing to actually read anything. Got it. As for your friends, I mean, good for them? I think the big point you're still missing here is not everyone lives the same life, or has the same time. Still working on the mount, myself. You know, that thing I never said I wouldn't or couldn't do? Really, Jojoya, read my posts. Like- actually read them.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The mount might have been fun to have but I hate Bozja myself and don't feel any reward is doing content I don't like. No loss, I've got other mounts I like.

Take a good long look at your own signature. Is having the mount that important to you? Then put in the effort required. If others have done it, so can you. If it's not that important, then move on and don't waste time bashing content that others do enjoy.

Your posts are arrogant beyond description. Jeeqbit is very good at trying to put things into a gaming perspective, whether someone agrees with their opinions or not.

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Glad this is a non-issue for you, why are you here then? Take a good loooong look at my posts, did you even read them? You wouldn't have bothered typing any of this, if you had. Your crush is noted, but I'm not out for drama. I came here to address an opinion and receive others perspectives, and I did. I've learned, gained some new appreciation, and have had a fun time of dismissing toxic players. Thank you for your perspective, however negative it might be. ;)

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

You don't want to involve yourself more, fine, but stop wanting to get everything given to you, because that ruining the game for other people. Because the lack of that kind of content is exactly what lead to the "nothing to do"/"relics suck" complaints in EW.

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Seriously! Would it kill anyone to actually read my posts? I get that I'm long winded, had a lot to say, so let me shorthand this: I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE CONTENT, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOCKING LORE+EXCLUSIVES BEHIND TIME DUMPS SO EXTREME THAT YOU COULD SPEND THAT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME LEARNING AN ENTIRELY NEW SKILL. FULL STOP.

Good Gobs, a gil for every pedant that claimed I want handouts.. I'm starting to think I'm not a "Real Gamer", because I happen to hold to the belief in the need to touch grass. I could literally learn French in the time that it takes for some of these drops. I've heard tales of people netting around 107 FATEs for 1 single record- that's not reasonable. The same thing, 107 times? That's so stupidly-repetitive I'm not sure how anyone still has brain function afterward. All I'd be able to think about for the rest of my days is: 'Dodge. Rotation A. Rotation B. Half-rotation, Dodge. Icarus. Phlegma. Toxicon. Dodge. Rotation A...'

I do apologize if I'm taking a moral dump on people's chosen content, if doing the same thing 1000 times for no tangible reward is your thing? Baller. You do you. But at least World of Warcraft (something I'm loathe to credit) did one thing right: Aesthetic Scaling, as previously mentioned. Cheap and dirty, everyone a little unhappy, but still a solid solution. Want to do the same instance so many times that you start having nightmares over it? Go for it. Don't lock lore behind it, don't lock exclusives. Just wait for Square Enix's NFT content, boy won't folks love that. Maybe they'll let you set your computers up to do the Minin- excuse me, Grinding for you!

That was rude, sure, but I'm reaaaaaaally getting tired of people running in here making crappy aspersions on people's character.

Handout? Try suffering a major Heart Attack up in the mountains, mid-quarter at College, having to still work and finish a full course load and full-time work (workstudy gives no benefits), and still finishing the year out on a 4.0, 4.0, and 3.8 (missed turning in an assignment while in the Hospital, fair right?), & only 3 days off to for recovery; ongoing 8 years later. I don't give up or go easy, you all just think other people do because you like the grindy content and we don't. C'est la vie. But some of us don't exactly have a lot of time to waste. Take a look at Eureka, so many people want stuff from it, but their complaints are all the same: "Why does this outmoded content still take so long? I just want to enjoy the story, and maybe get a relic transmog." When will they nerf Eureka? It's not just Bozja, it's not just Me, and it's not for want of handouts.

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Originally Posted by Nexae

Your "contribution" here was arrogance and elitism.

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My points included:

1. You get millions of experience points in Zadnor.
2. That learning a fight is part of the point of the content and that not all content is meant to be as easy as a dungeon.
3. That players with more time feel bored in Endwalker and would have loved a Bozja-like content that sap their time like this.
4. The point that things need to be earned sometimes, like the duel, by doing mechanics flawlessly.
5. The point that duels are unique in that they are meant to be watched like a colosseum and as such it can't be as convenient as a queue, because it wants to filter people.

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I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE CONTENT, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOCKING LORE+EXCLUSIVES BEHIND TIME DUMPS SO EXTREME THAT YOU COULD SPEND THAT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME LEARNING AN ENTIRELY NEW SKILL.

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Part of the point in this game is being able to say you earned things, such as relic weapons or rare mounts.

• When people see someone with an old relic weapon, they think "oh it took a lot of time and effort to get that, I know how much work they put in". But when they see someone with a Hilidibrand relic, they don't really think that at all, because it involves less time and effort - just dumping tomestones they got anyway and clicking a quest.
• When people see the tiger, triceratops or victor mounts from hunts they think that involved a lot of time and effort - months of grinding and respect the effort. Same for the mentor roulette mount, which involves 2,000 mentor roulettes.
• When people see ultimate weapons, they think that involved a lot of time and effort progging the fight and coming close to beating it many times.

To me and to a lot of people, that is one of the things that is fun about an MMORPG. That you can show off what you worked hard to earn.

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I could literally learn French in the time that it takes for some of these drops. I've heard tales of people netting around 107 FATEs for 1 single record- that's not reasonable. The same thing, 107 times?

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Don't get me wrong, I don't like RNG like that really. It made me put off a similar area, Eureka, where after years of trying for 3-hour sessions, I couldn't even land a random chance at a random chance to get the drop I wanted. I had to buy the items that had too low drop rates.

I preferred the Bozja cluster system, where at least my grind was fixed and able to be planned, and I didn't feel like I was wasting my time. That said, if the grind is fixed ie. 107 is how much it takes for everyone, then that would be fine, as long as each of them is contributing to it, such as by dropping a currency or increasing an achievement.

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All I'd be able to think about for the rest of my days is: 'Dodge. Rotation A. Rotation B. Half-rotation, Dodge. Icarus. Phlegma. Toxicon. Dodge. Rotation A...'

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Grinding the gemstone mount has been like that with Chi and Daivadipa. You virtually have to do them 582 times to get 500 vouchers. I'm almost half-way there.

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When will they nerf Eureka?

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It actually did get a lot of nerfs, both while current and after. It's just that these nerfs were more to travel, experience gain, NM spawn rates and included significant buffs to elemental power and other methods to gain exp like the challenge log. I don't personally find the loot RNG fun in Pagos so I wouldn't mind that being improved a bit, but in terms of leveling through for the story, it is once again meant to be content for people who want a lot of their time occupied and zooming through it would defeat the point of it.