SCH new ability idea

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

I like how SCH heals and how it leverages its toolkit, and getting rid of the lockouts and choice just takes that away from me so people who have zero interest in how the job plays right now can play it like they play White Mage but this time they have a fairy
I would not have stuck with this game at all if SCH didn't exist, because all of the other healers have insanely boring 1 dimensional healing kits on top of having the most uninteresting DPS rotations imaginable
Why should I have to lose the thing I enjoy and spend a ton of time on so people who don't love it can just find something else to complain about

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It's very weird that people who dislike SCH keep complaining about different aspects of SCH while talking about how good the other healers have it. I always wonder why they don't simply just go play the other healers they love so much instead of trying to change SCH and ruin it for those of us who enjoy the kit interactions of SCH.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

It's very weird that people who dislike SCH keep complaining about different aspects of SCH while talking about how good the other healers have it. I always wonder why they don't simply just go play the other healers they love so much instead of trying to change SCH and ruin it for those of us who enjoy the kit interactions of SCH.

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I wish a class existed that was like SCH but wasn’t clunky

‘SGE exists’

I’ll ignore that

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I wish a class existed that was like SCH but wasn’t clunky

‘SGE exists’

I’ll ignore that

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I don't mind SCH being clunky. It adds to the charm.

IDM the 'this locks you out of that' conflicts between Union, Dissipation and Seraph, they create a pseudo rotation of CD uses. Learning to play around their downsides is part of what makes the class 'the genius tactician'. However, I do hate the fact that Seraph takes 2s to actually enter the battlefield, and that if you use a skill at the end of it's duration it just ghosts it.

Delete Seraph, bring back Rouse

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

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I think you and a few others are taking what I'm saying only at face value. And, in case it wasn't obvious, I do know how to use it, that's why I dislike it.

The bottom line is the skill feels off and needs a change, whether minor/major I don't know, but it does need an adjustment. It use to feel good as a DPS tool, but with SE constantly screwing around with Energy Drain, that is no longer the case.

Lots of jobs have that one skill that just feels off compared to everything else. Doesn't mean it's a bad skill, it just needs some tuning.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

IDM the 'this locks you out of that' conflicts between Union, Dissipation and Seraph, they create a pseudo rotation of CD uses. Learning to play around their downsides is part of what makes the class 'the genius tactician'. However, I do hate the fact that Seraph takes 2s to actually enter the battlefield, and that if you use a skill at the end of it's duration it just ghosts it.

Delete Seraph, bring back Rouse

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Union and Seraph don't actually lock you out of anything though. Union use to, but that was changed. But that ghosting and delay is frustrating. Sometimes it feels like Seraph is only a 15 second summon at times.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I think you and a few others are taking what I'm saying only at face value. And, in case it wasn't obvious, I do know how to use it, that's why I dislike it.

The bottom line is the skill feels off and needs a change, whether minor/major I don't know, but it does need an adjustment. It use to feel good as a DPS tool, but with SE constantly screwing around with Energy Drain, that is no longer the case.

Lots of jobs have that one skill that just feels off compared to everything else. Doesn't mean it's a bad skill, it just needs some tuning.



Union and Seraph don't actually lock you out of anything though. Union use to, but that was changed. But that ghosting and delay is frustrating. Sometimes it feels like Seraph is only a 15 second summon at times.

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I’m not saying you don’t know how to use the skill, I’m saying that your reasoning for why it should be changed is flawed in that your only reasoning is basically a vague feeling that it doesn’t feel right; I could just as easily say that dissipation is the only skill that does feel right, our opinions hold equal weight on that front.

And while union doesn’t block you from anything it has to be stopped and restarted every time you use something else and it’s still rather common to ghost the other skill when you use said skill to cancel the tether

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

IDM the 'this locks you out of that' conflicts between Union, Dissipation and Seraph, they create a pseudo rotation of CD uses. Learning to play around their downsides is part of what makes the class 'the genius tactician'. However, I do hate the fact that Seraph takes 2s to actually enter the battlefield, and that if you use a skill at the end of it's duration it just ghosts it.

Delete Seraph, bring back Rouse

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It probably wouldn't be as bad if Seraph blasts out a Consolation while she's spawning in like Phoenix fires out a regen as he's spawning in. But yes, Rouse does basically the same thing without the dumb delay.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

It probably wouldn't be as bad if Seraph blasts out a Consolation while she's spawning in like Phoenix fires out a regen as he's spawning in. But yes, Rouse does basically the same thing without the dumb delay.

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Even if you did it that way angel whisper and seraphic illumination are basically completely redundant copies of the existing skills because it’s almost never worth risking using anything during the seraph window because both consolation and seraphic veil take like 3 seconds to cast and seraph wipes her own skill queue on both sides so you really only have her for like 13 seconds

I agree just bring rouse back and have rouse eos turn blessing into consolation and either make angel whisper and seraphic illumination do something different or just delete them as redundant extras

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

IDM the 'this locks you out of that' conflicts between Union, Dissipation and Seraph, they create a pseudo rotation of CD uses. Learning to play around their downsides is part of what makes the class 'the genius tactician'. However, I do hate the fact that Seraph takes 2s to actually enter the battlefield, and that if you use a skill at the end of it's duration it just ghosts it.

Delete Seraph, bring back Rouse

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Probably also add an additional ”Healing received is increased by 10% until the shield wears off”-buff to ensure 2nd shield will always overwrite first shield, too.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Union and Seraph don't actually lock you out of anything though. Union use to, but that was changed. But that ghosting and delay is frustrating. Sometimes it feels like Seraph is only a 15 second summon at times.

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You can't use Dissipation or Seraph while using Union, without cancelling Union, creating a 'soft lockout'. On the other hand, you are completely unable to use Union, Dissipation or Fey Blessing (???) while Seraph is out

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I agree just bring rouse back and have rouse eos turn blessing into consolation and either make angel whisper and seraphic illumination do something different or just delete them as redundant extras

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It'd probably be so much less of a clunky feeling if Seraph was a model swap of the Eos entity while it was empowered by Rouse (which can upgrade to Summon Seraph at 80 I don't care), instead of summoning a separate entity. That way, the skill queue would carry over between the two. If that's how it works already, then the issue is that they gave us pointless reskins of skills (Fey Illum > Seraphic Illum, for example), which means that when it reverts back to Eos, it can't find Seraphic Illumination as a valid skill for Eos to use. Either way, it's implemented in a very strange way