Are past PVP Season Rewards coming back? I hope so!

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I don't see any reason why Feast rewards couldn't come back. Some of them are 4 - 6 years old now. Even ultimates lose prestige over time. But I digress, I know the PVP community is hellbent on keeping them exclusive for all eternity even if some of them aren't actively using those rewards anymore or even have quit the game.

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Since you are so certain about you "knowing the pvp community being hellbent on keeping them exclusive for all eternity" you'd also have read the countless explanations of why you literally cannot compare it to Ultimates.

First of all, quick lesson for you.

PvE Ultimate difficulty is a challenge, the enemy is a scripted high-difficulty AI, the items you receive are rewards. A challenge against an AI does not require an end to qualify them for said reward.

PvP Top 100 is a competition, the enemy is other players fighting for spots on the leaderboard, NOT a scripted high-difficulty AI, the items you receive are trophies. A competition requires an eventual end to lock the seasonal bests into qualify them. The reason Top 100 exists isn't to bully newbies with rewards they may never get, it is to encourage fiercer competition. You can call it FOMO if it makes your day happier.

This is PvE Ultimate vs PvP Top 100 in a nutshell. They are in every aspect literally incomparable.

Now, I'd kindly ask you to stop projecting what Yoshida will likely answer when asked about this topic as what we want for those rewards. Yoshida doesn't want to rerelease them to preserve the uniqueness for those who earned it, which is a valid argument.

We do not mind the gearsets and mounts being rereleased - we simply want whatever gets rereleased not be a carbon copy to the original. This would be as simple as adding a "Replica" in the name, or adding our rank number in the original pieces, hell making them blue or purple item quality would do too. We simply want what we have to be possible to be told apart feom others in a tooltip, everything else can stay the same from colour to dyeability.

In the western playerbase we do not mind replicas existing - put up that fight with the japanese playerbase and ask how they feel about the value of exclusivity, thank you very much and have a good day.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Since you are so certain about you "knowing the pvp community being hellbent on keeping them exclusive for all eternity" you'd also have read the countless explanations of why you literally cannot compare it to Ultimates.

First of all, quick lesson for you.

PvE Ultimate difficulty is a challenge, the enemy is a scripted high-difficulty AI, the items you receive are rewards. A challenge against an AI does not require an end to qualify them for said reward.

PvP Top 100 is a competition, the enemy is other players fighting for spots on the leaderboard, NOT a scripted high-difficulty AI, the items you receive are trophies. A competition requires an eventual end to lock the seasonal bests into qualify them. The reason Top 100 exists isn't to bully newbies with rewards they may never get, it is to encourage fiercer competition. You can call it FOMO if it makes your day happier.

This is PvE Ultimate vs PvP Top 100 in a nutshell. They are in every aspect literally incomparable.

Now, I'd kindly ask you to stop projecting what Yoshida will likely answer when asked about this topic as what we want for those rewards. Yoshida doesn't want to rerelease them to preserve the uniqueness for those who earned it, which is a valid argument.

We do not mind the gearsets and mounts being rereleased - we simply want whatever gets rereleased not be a carbon copy to the original. This would be as simple as adding a "Replica" in the name, or adding our rank number in the original pieces, hell making them blue or purple item quality would do too. We simply want what we have to be possible to be told apart feom others in a tooltip, everything else can stay the same from colour to dyeability.

In the western playerbase we do not mind replicas existing - put up that fight with the japanese playerbase and ask how they feel about the value of exclusivity, thank you very much and have a good day.

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I know you frequent these forums and I know it's on deaf ear to argue you because you are Mr Has to be correct on everything PvP related even if you are wrong so not even gonna waste my time here. Have a good day.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Since you are so certain about you "knowing the pvp community being hellbent on keeping them exclusive for all eternity" you'd also have read the countless explanations of why you literally cannot compare it to Ultimates.

First of all, quick lesson for you.

PvE Ultimate difficulty is a challenge, the enemy is a scripted high-difficulty AI, the items you receive are rewards. A challenge against an AI does not require an end to qualify them for said reward.

PvP Top 100 is a competition, the enemy is other players fighting for spots on the leaderboard, NOT a scripted high-difficulty AI, the items you receive are trophies. A competition requires an eventual end to lock the seasonal bests into qualify them. The reason Top 100 exists isn't to bully newbies with rewards they may never get, it is to encourage fiercer competition. You can call it FOMO if it makes your day happier.

This is PvE Ultimate vs PvP Top 100 in a nutshell. They are in every aspect literally incomparable.

Now, I'd kindly ask you to stop projecting what Yoshida will likely answer when asked about this topic as what we want for those rewards. Yoshida doesn't want to rerelease them to preserve the uniqueness for those who earned it, which is a valid argument.

We do not mind the gearsets and mounts being rereleased - we simply want whatever gets rereleased not be a carbon copy to the original. This would be as simple as adding a "Replica" in the name, or adding our rank number in the original pieces, hell making them blue or purple item quality would do too. We simply want what we have to be possible to be told apart feom others in a tooltip, everything else can stay the same from colour to dyeability.

In the western playerbase we do not mind replicas existing - put up that fight with the japanese playerbase and ask how they feel about the value of exclusivity, thank you very much and have a good day.

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If it makes you happier that they add replica to the armor than fine, do so. They did it with Mog station outfits and again with relic weapons. But I've never really known a person to pay attention to details like that because after a while they are all eventually treated one and the same. Basically what I'm saying is the moment a replica is created in the first place, the prestige is lost.

This generation MMO players will never understand how cool it used to be when you saw someone in town with an Excalibur, a Ridill, or an Adaman Hauberk. I really think the 'must have everything I want' attitude has removed a lot of the epic in MMO gaming these days. I remember spotting a RDM in FFXI with the famed AF2 hat that never dropped and thinking damn that dudes a boss. These days you see something walking around with a "Ultimate" weapon every few paces and somehow everyone has a masterwork sword on hand. I miss when it was just cool to see someone with a Thunderfury in the wild.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I know you frequent these forums and I know it's on deaf ear to argue you because you are Mr Has to be correct on everything PvP related even if you are wrong so not even gonna waste my time here. Have a good day.

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If you know I frequent these forums then you should also know that I used to be the type of person that stubbornly refused any and all suggestions to make the Feast stuff available even before I owned one. I changed over time which is why my stance is like this - not minding replica / rerelease.

Arguing with me is not effort falling on deaf ears, I simply need more than "because I said so" or some half-baked argument to be convinced.

Frankly if you aren't here to argue and defend your point after someone told you that we aren't what you try to project us to be then I don't know what your whole point was besides stirring the pot.

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Originally Posted by Remish

If it makes you happier that they add replica to the armor than fine, do so. They did it with Mog station outfits and again with relic weapons. But I've never really known a person to pay attention to details like that because after a while they are all eventually treated one and the same. Basically what I'm saying is the moment a replica is created in the first place, the prestige is lost.

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Well, I simply want a slight difference so we don't have a repeat of the Raven earrings from 1.0 Nael being 1:1 copied into an event. Beyond that I don't care if someone gets to look the part, I simply want a way to tell originals apart.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

If you know I frequent these forums then you should also know that I used to be the type of person that stubbornly refused any and all suggestions to make the Feast stuff available even before I owned one. I changed over time which is why my stance is like this - not minding replica / rerelease.

Arguing with me is not effort falling on deaf ears, I simply need more than "because I said so" or some half-baked argument to be convinced.

Frankly if you aren't here to argue and defend your point after someone told you that we aren't what you try to project us to be then I don't know what your whole point was besides stirring the pot.

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To be fair, given that there are precious few people per data center owning those armors or mounts, and given that perhaps even fewer of those people use those items at all time, I have little reason to see why they would have to release them as separate items. For one there is already enough item bloat as it is(and believe me, I cringe every time when a new dungeon set is a recolor of some old tomestone one) to justify re-releasing several sets with such miniscule differences. Besides, would an average joe even care enough to go out of its way to inspect someone just to tell if they are wearing original or a replica, or would they think “whoa cool armor” and move on? Or would you go out of your way to explain to everyone who asks where to get it that what you are wearing is a very special and limited original item, and they at best can get some “replica” because they missed out on some hardcore one of the time pvp mode?

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

If you know I frequent these forums then you should also know that I used to be the type of person that stubbornly refused any and all suggestions to make the Feast stuff available even before I owned one. I changed over time which is why my stance is like this - not minding replica / rerelease.

Arguing with me is not effort falling on deaf ears, I simply need more than "because I said so" or some half-baked argument to be convinced.

Frankly if you aren't here to argue and defend your point after someone told you that we aren't what you try to project us to be then I don't know what your whole point was besides stirring the pot.

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Well according to a recent post over on FFXIV discussions, people feel a lot differently from you.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

Well according to a recent post over on FFXIV discussions, people feel a lot differently from you.

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Which is fine if that is the case - however then at very least it would be nice if you don't generalize us as "the PvP community" because as is clearly evident, there are many of us that do not share this idea whereas there are also many that are as you described. My main issue was how you generalized us.

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Originally Posted by Palin

To be fair, given that there are precious few people per data center owning those armors or mounts, and given that perhaps even fewer of those people use those items at all time, I have little reason to see why they would have to release them as separate items. For one there is already enough item bloat as it is(and believe me, I cringe every time when a new dungeon set is a recolor of some old tomestone one) to justify re-releasing several sets with such miniscule differences. Besides, would an average joe even care enough to go out of its way to inspect someone just to tell if they are wearing original or a replica, or would they think “whoa cool armor” and move on? Or would you go out of your way to explain to everyone who asks where to get it that what you are wearing is a very special and limited original item, and they at best can get some “replica” because they missed out on some hardcore one of the time pvp mode?

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You don't see everyone who owns the original "White Ravens" earrings all the time either which is an original reward from 1.0. Players are free to choose their appearance as they please.

The issue for rereleasing original high-tier rewards such as "White Ravens" or The Feast Top 100 items with zero difference to those who obtained it with the original method is that it essentially invalidates part of what makes these items so special, because now you can no longer tell apart who owns the original and who owns the replica. To my knowledge this caused quite an uproar at one of the original "The Rising" events where the original "White Ravens" mistakenly got put as the reward instead of a replica version.

People care for the authenticity of their achievement. A not so unsignificant part would be okay if people get to have something that looks 100% like what they own but isn't the same item. That's the simple principle.