Last time I saw Sleep/Repose being useful, it was BA to interrupt the centaurs from applying their damage-up buff. Repose as a skill has been on lifesupport for it's entire existence, and only justifies it's continued existence now with niche things like 'what if you are soloing POTD as a healer', and exactly one role quest where you're forced to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegor
Just throw an additional effect on it that says 'also reduces damage dealt by 5% (or 10%) for 10 seconds', and it gets a new lease of life as 'a mit tool that costs a GCD to use, so you'd want to avoid relying on it as much as possible'. You 'could' have 100% uptime, but then you throw away almost 20% of your damage GCDs to do so (not worth it)
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10-06-2023, 11:41 PMForsakenRoe
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10-07-2023, 03:17 PMAllegorOr, just as niche but since it's fun to brainstorm, what if it were Esuna's counterpart - while Esuna cleanses debuffs from allies, Repose could cleanse (pacify) buffs from enemies and put lesser foes to sleep. I could go forth and claim that theoretically they could add a damage buff to every single boss in the game and it shouldn't affect game mechanics, balance, or raise difficulty, since the healer would - or rather, should - be dispeling the buff from time to time anyway, and it'd also break the monotony of casting 11111 at least a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe
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10-07-2023, 04:57 PMPalladiamors
Let me voice my concern before I voice my support. Back when I was way more active with the community during Stormblood I had numerous incidents where healers would focus so much on dealing damage that they'd let players die. I'm not talking about missing mechanics, I mean I had numerous incidents where I'd just take party wide or raid wide damage, mitigate it best I could, and still die to party/raid attacks because healers just weren't.
With that being said, current healers are just sad in that department. They need something that doesn't force them into tight, timed rotations so they can break off and heal when they need to. I realize even that level will still cause certain people to hyper focus damage but ya know, I can live with that if it helps you all have more fun. -
10-07-2023, 05:35 PMty_taurusTruthfully, I hate this argument for a number of reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Palladiamors
1. This is something that still happens. This is not a consequence of the jobs having DPS, but an unavoidable reality of playing online with other people around the world. Some people will tunnel vision, and that's not just a healer thing either. There will always be players who tunnel vision at times. You cannot force players to not underperform. If you want to have 100% control over how someone experiences your game, consider making a visual novel instead of an MMORPG.
2. People are not perfect, nor is every player an expert at the game. This is the natural reality of an online gaming environment. Treating poor skill as a disease that needs to be eradicated is, in my opinion, really toxic and disrespectful to novice players. It's like telling someone that they'll just screw up anyway, so here, have the controller that's not plugged in.
3. Even if having more DPS options on a healer would result in a higher rate of healer tunnel vision, the damage of destroying the healer role has done astronomically more harm to my enjoyment of the game than a marginal increase to my wipe rate ever could.
I realize that in the second half of your post, you elaborate more on your perspective, but I say this because this argument is one that pops on occasion. It's a really dangerous line of thinking that, the further you lean into, the more you get into an environment where player agency is completely eradicated out of fear that one bad choice will create a marginally negative experience for other players in the same environment. -
10-07-2023, 06:01 PMSani2341Quote:
Originally Posted by Palladiamors
You know what in my just as anecdotal experience causes a magnitude more wipes than healers missing a few heals and letting players die?
DPS not meeting enrage. But if I were to argue dps should be reduced to a single DoT and filler attack so they could focus on doing mechanics to not get damage downs i'd rightfully be ripped apart for it.
So why do you think makes this complaint okay in regards to healers but not dps? -
10-07-2023, 06:27 PMPalladiamorsBit rude, aren't you? I said I support your desire for more to do. Trust me, as someone who has done plenty of DPS and tanking I understand DPS not pulling their weight. Do YOU understand what your fellow healers are guilty of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sani2341
Maybe step back and take a deep breath, man. Acting like this isn't going to do you any favors, it's just going to push people away from what you're trying to do. -
10-07-2023, 06:33 PMPalladiamors
You know what? I'm unloading. I voiced my concerns for things I've had an issue with in the past and you react like that. I told you I WANTED you to get more to do and you ignored that. I am sitting at a vet at five thirty in the morning with a dying cat and you just had to remind me of why I don't interact with communities anymore.
Thanks for that. Have a nice day -
10-07-2023, 06:56 PMty_taurusMy condolences to your situation. In all honesty, I don't really think it's fair to unload that kind of emotional weight onto people online as there's no way anyone would know of your circumstances, but I've been in your situation. My family had a blind little pug who sadly drowned in an accident a few years ago, and that's something that has lived with me ever since. I know the pain. But I don't think trying to get into an online discussion is the right move for these situations, even when looking for a distraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palladiamors
I can't speak for Sani, but my point is not to attack, rather to expand on a perspective that is not entirely uncommon and isn't good for the health of an online game. That's why I wanted to elaborate in my last statement that I recognize you aren't wielding that argument against anyone, nor was my criticism specifically targeted at you. I felt it was important to reference that point, since it had been said, as to explain why we should not see that as a good argument against the development of any job's design, healer or not.
Regardless of the discussion, I wish you the best in your personal situation. -
10-07-2023, 08:27 PMSani2341My condolences, loosing a pet is never easy. Though that realy is not the time to interact with people not in the know. Take it from someone who had to mend a lot of friendships (both on and offline) after his dog died.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palladiamors
On another Note, I defenitly did not intend to be rude, merely to point out how pointless the Argument you brought forth was.
And no Matter how good your over all Intentions were, that first Paragraph read, to me at least, a lot like 'you got what you deserve bc some healers suck' -
10-07-2023, 11:58 PMIDontPetLalasAs the forum can't possibly be aware of your personal situation ( and I will add my condolences), probably you would read people's responses differently under normal circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palladiamors
So far I agree with other comments, you're in an MMO and you will always have the chance that someone will make a poor decision. Ideally that person compensates, the party compensates, or they may wipe. As a team they should work together so that the person learns why that happened (if , let's say- esuna needed to be used). If the person doesn't learn or doesn't want to learn - there are ways to deal with that, but that's not a job design issue at that point.
A job shouldn't be designed on the basis that someone could make a mistake, or not care and that could affect me.