Fishing, Its time to bring it in line with the other gathering jobs!!

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

I'd rather have a better spear gig that you can either craft or meld good materia into it. FSH gets little love in that department. Or heck, let us have a separate inventory for our tackle so all that bait doesn't bait myself into having to clean it out often.

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Fishing is built around the current gig. It would require to rebalance everything. I see not having to pentameld the gig as a plus.

As for bait, I simply buy what I need when I go fishing in an area. I only keep the basic 4 for Ocean fishing + versatile lure in my Chocobo bag and discard the rest.

As for OP saying it is useless for crafting , I get calamari to make calamari ripieni but we could do with more relevant recipes using fish.

I prefer fishing not to be as botany or mining. Fishing is more interesting than the other 2 DoL jobs. Botany and mining are just mind numbing.

MIN/BTN should be tuned in accordance with fishing. Long long ago they did have a few things in place. Granted, it wasn't entirely to the scale fishing, but not everything could be gathered at 100%.

They've done an OK job with the sublime aetherial reductions for the expert recipes for doing the IS crafts. I think a new material should be introduced akin to what they had with demimateria, lock it behind Aetherial Reduction, instead of it just being a simple case of hitting 1000 collectability, require that it hit max coll., then something like a 25-35% chance in the item you need is reduced from it, and then other times it giving crystals/clusters. Also, reintroduce the gathering success rates they had back in Heavensward... If I recall which was if the gatherable was your level, you were capped at 95%, and then an additional 5% for each 'level' that the item was above your own.

The only thing I think they should realistically do with Big Fishing is make it so more fish are useful through Desynthesis., it was pretty interesting to see that Glarramundi would Desynth into an Onishi Dogi - Granted people wouldn't necessarily farm for this, but it was a nice prospect reward for those that did engage in big fish back then - It was the same with the Ninja Betta and the Assassin Fry minion - Back before it was a common obtainable through Material Container, I would go there and try to catch a bunch and Desynth them, was a good 250-500K made per window at that time. Was the same with the Castaway Chocobo Chick.

Granted, I do think fishing should be done largely for the self-satisfaction of it, but it's a shame that they've gutted many of these rewards, or just outright substituted for NQ gear, and materia.

Edit: I don't really think it is healthy to gut those systems outright, especially with how they have already gutted this area - They should really just be looking at ways to either make prospective rewards better for people that engage in it or make it a little more integral to crafting. Way back with Trials of Matron, you could catch Pterodactyl and Pteinosaur which were used in crafts for the Sky gear back in HW - Stuff like this being more mainstream would be good as well, I think.

Rare or legendary fish wouldn't be rare or legendary if everyone caught them easily.

Fishing is fine the way it is. Spending three hours trying to catch the greatest break in the world was worth the trouble, and made the payoff all the sweeter. Leave fisher alone. I'd rather they didn't make it braindead like all the other content.

All I want is secondary tools to stop messing with my OCD of ilvls, a bait box please and just make fishers have more purpose to the food buffs for raids or oils for alchemist or something. I just feel so many fish are borderline redundant to the wider picture its just more filling in a fishing log.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

I'd rather have a better spear gig that you can either craft or meld good materia into it. FSH gets little love in that department. Or heck, let us have a separate inventory for our tackle so all that bait doesn't bait myself into having to clean it out often.

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Fun fact 1.0 had multiple gigs!
They took them away for ARR and only gave us one back in SB.
Miss my Militia Gig. :(

Those of you who say that MIN/BTN should be tuned in accordance with fishing difficulty, you have absolutely ZERO knowledge of how economy works on MMOs. If the RNG of gathering a MIN/BOT item was the same with Lone Ripper's RNG, then a single Alchemy potion's price would skyrocket to 10m gil and a single crafted gear item's price would go up to around 300m.

Don't expect fishing to contribute the crafting of necessary items anytime soon with those RNGs. Only cosmetic things can be added for profit like mounts or minions.

I've made it easy for myself. I don't think of Fishing as a gathering job. I think of it as a time-consuming hobby for the game.

I put in minimum effort into Fishing so I can catch what I need for crafting and that's about it. I might occasionally get into the mood to do it as a hobby but it never lasts long.

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Originally Posted by Autumn-Rain

So Fishing as it is sucks and heres why;
- other than achievements and a few 'collectables' there is no reason to fish
- RNG is a total joke, at level 90 no one should be losing ARR rare fish, i dont see Botanists or Miners going back to grab a missing Log item only to fail it 100+ times in a row cause the rng is set to 1% ( i dont want it at 100% catch rate but it shouldnt be a bloody joke either).
- its not made fun for casual players to partake in
- any casual that wants to complete their logs probably never will.
- levelling is way to fast with ocean fishing and that feels like a bandaid to the greater problem of no one does it cause its to unbalanced and unfun, everyone levels to 90 in a week and boom done, no more fishing till level cap increases then woop one more ocean fishing trip and capped again.

So some fixes;
- bring our RNG in line with the other gathering jobs (it doesnt need to be 100% like the BOT and MIN but at level 90 i shouldnt be having to spend 3+ days with 10+ hours each day to be denied a level 50 fish id expect that for a level 70+ fish)
- a fish list like the MIN/BOT have when gathering but for fish ( it doesnt let you jus click and catch like MIN/BOT jus provides info you already have, ie date/time/weather/pref bait)
- reasons to fish!! there's little reason to fish as crafting recipes aren't the most viable, and you make little to no gil too unless the fish are needed in GC hand ins or similar, which ngl farming one fish to be able to sell 3x however many copies over a day is incredibly boring and there are easier ways to sell more convenient items for more gil.
- Upgraded Spearfishing Equipment or more of it at least
- a Separate Bait Box so no more full retainers/saddle bags and inventory!

I have more points and a cleaner argument but today is day 17 with at least 3 - 7 hours spent fishing on each day after The Lone Ripper in Halfstone and I'm annoyed and tired, so forgive my rambling rant, but i hope you see and maybe add more ways to make fishing more viable and accessible to all :)

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I agree to the letter! Said by someone who carries in her bags "Old Crafty" and knows very well the limits where challenge and fun turn into pure waste of time. There are gamers and there are no-lifers. If there's a need to create something for the latter, then there can be a mini game where to empty the ocean with a spoon and get a super mount as reward. Turning a whole gathering section into a no-lifers' activity is excluding all casual players and detaches it from any other aspect of the game. And that brings us to the point where you may mine like 1000 cobalt ore for an achievement and sell it on MB or craft something of value and fish 1000 fishes for an achievement and shove them in your.... This gathering section needs rebuild from scratch. It feels as decadent and neglected as gardening.

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Originally Posted by Asako

As someone who loves the fishing, I want a bait box and I want a better in game tracker. Really annoying that I have to use an outside website to track my fish timers.

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hmm so bait box is already on there but an in game fish time is an idea ill add to the list too !!