He brings me back to the days when unapologetic villains were unapologetic villains. Nowadays every single antagonist needs to have some sob story to make you forget they were responsible for crimes you and I would rot in prison for.
Genuine fans of Zenos yae Galvus, why do you like him?
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06-19-2023, 06:26 AMEgilTheStressedMage
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06-19-2023, 07:39 AMSilversLyu
He is the raider archetype, as a raider I approve
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06-19-2023, 08:01 AMValkyrie-Veil
He’s really, really attractive.
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06-19-2023, 08:40 AMRanakuWell he:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashennae
- Lost his mother at a very young age.
- Never had any friends cause of his position in the empire.
- Saw us as his friend cause we were the only one that were powerful enough to be his equal. Which is a very important aspect for famous people, cause it reassures you that the person doesn't just like you for your fame.
- He saved the world from the black rose by killing his father, without him the world would become the future G'raha fled.
- He calls out the false morality of people, like Jullus for example. Which discarded his morals as long as it served him right and the empire was strong, he supported all the atrocities before but afterwards dared to judge Zenos as a traitor and monster.
- He basically was the reason we were able to save the universe and could return to our friends. At least it is a popular theory that he wished for us to carry on.
- He was our mirror, just without the friends to console him. He is basically what would've happened to Estinien without friends, what almost happened to Estinien even with friends, lol.
- He learned probably at a young age that the empire was just an ascian tool and that no matter what future he would build for himself was doomed by the ascians rejoining and his fathers plans to make them into "perfect" beings. Which is probably the reason why he got so uncaring and fixated on the "hunt". If you know everything around you is anyways doomed to be changed ultimately and that everything around you is working for exactly that goal, what reason is there then to build anything? The only option was to fight, it took him just longer i guess to see that he could fight against that system.
- He almost got rid for us of exposition cat mommy Y'shtola which seems to have merged after ARR with a XIV writer in the lifestream before we brought her back. Just to now tell us that she knows already everything and way better than us. -
06-19-2023, 11:40 AMSannaRHe didn't know that the empire was an Ascian plot until right before Giaus and Estinien did. He liked fighting cause he found everything else in life as boring. Zenos didn't have friends cause again he didn't see anything people did while growing up as fun or interesting things to do. He spent his time reading books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranaku
Heck even weapons training was dull and boring to him until he was given a Covorsi weapons trainer that chose to repeatedly kick his ass until Zenos figured out the "trick" to the technique they used. Implying that he got rid of Black Rose to save the world is a stretch.
As to answer the OP I only liked him during 4.0. I felt he should have stayed dead. During EW I felt as though he was a waste and just wish he'd learn that he didn't need to try and have a bigger spectacle of a fight than last time. We'd of fought him just because he asked or wanted to. Yet no someone who was labeled as a great tactician went n put all of his eggs into Fandaniel's basket and never once seemed to bother questioning if he should. Since he didn't care as long as he got his bigger than last time fight.
I wanted to just leave his annoying ass there. In retrospect he actually did the things I wanted him to do. I wanted him to read the room and just be all fight me now the few times he could have tried to press the issue. That he sort of learned by the end. I'd still would have chosen the no I'm not going to fight you ya big idiot cause I felt as though he shouldn't be rewarded like that. -
06-19-2023, 11:57 AMCaffeinatedKing
I always saw Zenos as a tragic figure who made his decisions based on what limited life experience he had, which was not helped by the fact he was far too smart and far too powerful for his own good, an insanely dangerous combination for someone to have, with so little context for the world.
I personally believe he died realizing that he just wanted to be an adventurer like us.
It's hard to explain it concisely, he just makes sense to some people. He is probably the most compelling character in the game, in my opinion, right up there with Emet. -
06-19-2023, 12:20 PMBellsong
People like him because he's a simple character with just enough tragedy in his past that they can imprint whatever they want on him and justify it making sense for some reason or another.
Think of him like a violent apathetic build-a-bear. -
06-19-2023, 12:24 PMChrysOCE
Because I see him as a reflection:
As surely as you know the thrill of pushing your body and soul to their limits. Of confronting ever-mightier foes, dancing ever closer to the precipice, wondering if this will be the one to finally, finally... fill the void.
Such pleasures, you seek for their own sake, and no other reason. Is this not so.... adventurer
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06-19-2023, 12:40 PMSilversLyu
Zenos essencially is just the Mirror of the WoL, the closest thing to a villain WoL/antihero. No friends. Only cares about himself. Searching for his purpose in life.
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06-19-2023, 03:59 PMSugarPuff
He's unapologetic and has no tragic backstory. I can appreciate different types of villains but that will always be one of my favorites. They can't all have a tidy history that explains away their actions and it's often more interesting to me when they don't. I can easily lose my patience with fiction that tries too hard to compel me to relate to a character or a situation in a very specific way. That was my problem with Fordola. I prefer a lighter touch by the author and to mostly just be given a story and allowed to develop my own theories and feelings.