TOP cleared with no healers

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Joy. Now we're going to have to deal with SE making judgements on the game because of midcore players taking the actions of top tier players who are playing the highest tier of combat duties as law.

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Well you don't have to be a top tier player to replace the healer role in easier content.

It doesn't happen commonly because the duty finder needs healers to pop and people are just too lazy to build their own groups without a healer or just one for 8-man content.

The entire healing system is in dire need of a rework...

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Originally Posted by Tint

Well you don't have to be a top tier player to replace the healer role in easier content.

It doesn't happen commonly because the duty finder needs healers to pop and people are just too lazy to build their own groups without a healer or just one for 8-man content.

The entire healing system is in dire need of a rework...

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Not really denying that, just more so denying that this should be used as evidence. From what most people have explained, the game tries to force you to use a healer in TOP and they found a really inconvenient strategy around that just to do it for fun and to see if they could?

It doesn't speak for the entire game really. I am in agreement that healers need a rework though.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

Then they just give other roles more self sustain. That's what got healers in this situation to begin with, lol.

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no this has been a complaint about the healers since 2.0 honestly. they keep taking things that give healers utility besides healing. they took the haste and such away from scholars with the faries. They took WHMs AOE dot away. before 5.0 healers weren't perfect but they were fun to play and it felt like you matter as you brought more to the table. Now this shows healers are not needed and that's bad. I really don't touch the healer jobs anymore and i haven't played in a bit and yes I realize its main class whm im lazy to update here.XD

The majority of players are not that experienced and organized.
So yes - healers are still needed.

Yeah because a no life group is a good reflection for the whole community ^^

Looking forward to seeing all the complainers in this thread posting their healer-less Ultimate clears and the comps they use to get them. It wouldn't be very compelling evidence if they just copy Casual Player's group comp after all. I'm sure all the DRK, GNB, NIN, DRG, SAM, BRD, MCH and BLM players want their healer-less clears as well.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

Now this shows healers are not needed and that's bad.

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No, it doesn't. The fearmongering isn't needed. You've got a single group of some of the very best players in the world pulling off something using a very specific comp that 99.9% of the player base will never be able to duplicate. Healers don't need to worry that they're out of a job.

The concerns that healing needs a redesign are valid but this one outlier doesn't really contribute to that discussion.

Let X be a bounded distribution and denote m = E[X]. Suppose that sup(X), the (lowest) upper bound of X, is always twice the average, i.e. sup(X) = 2m.

Suppose we observe that sup(X_1) = 75 and sup(X_2) = 50.

Conclude that m_1 = m_2 by using the unassailable FF14 Official Forums logic. (50 points)

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In a short 2-page paper, explain why the median forum non-raider understands Ultimate and Savage healing better than Ultimate raiders.

I wonder if it's been done without tanks or dps. If it hasn't, healers are getting screwed.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

All i can say, is never expect me to play healer again.
It is the most boring, unrewarding role in the game.

Oh you are doing a lot of damage? Well not anymore, two DPS just screwed up and its your job to babysit them while they take 150k bleed damage over 15 seconds.

Even pressing LB3 as a healer feels bad, because you know the only reason your group is clearing a fight is because YOU did the mechanics right, and they all greeded and died, yet your still not getting rewarded for that, Gear goes to the DPS and Tanks, even if you are the reason they cleared.

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Those are really good points. :eek:

At this point just delete healers and give all jobs decent self heal.