Well Eulmore/Norv don't really make sense as they are another world entirely. Generally its a capital that gets a distrinct with the exception of SB not adding more zones. The scheme also works for SE's bottom line. How many do you think bought MSQ/Level boosts so they could bid in the empyrean on alts? Its good money for SE to make housing area's that require some effort to access with a $$$ shortcut. Thats just the way things are going and likely I suspect will continue...mind you it will probably be like 7.1 or some such.Quote:
Where are you getting the information that SE plans to open a new housing district in 7.0 and that it will be in Sharlayan?
The housing system is based on resources; those failed games dumped resources into homes that were not important enough to "keep" players in the game. Part of the point of housing in FF is that people stay around because they realize if they leave and their house gets demoed; they will have a hard time getting it again. SE does want longevity and fair weather players checking off "the list" will not provide that - also I would argue FF 14 has a much large importance of housing then other games simply by the virtue of all the markets and social media and sites that the housing system for FF (and largely Only FF) produces.Quote:
So they mark it off their to do list and walk away if they don't have an actual interest in housing. The housing would still be getting enjoyed by those who like having a home for their character and decorating.
That's already happening here. How many players have their house just to mark it off the to do list but never really make use of them? Because they've done that and won't give up the house they aren't using, it's forcing SE to expand wards so those who sincerely want a house can get it. If this was an instanced system, players checking it off their "to do" list and then igoring it wouldn't be a problem.
The reason those other games are "dead or gone" is because the developers failed at the core aspects of their games in some way. None of those games mentioned were housing-focused games, just as FFXIV is not a housing focused game.
Does it make sense to keep a system going where those who don't appreciate what they have get to keep it, while those who would appreciate having it can't get it? It seems like you're talking about players that only see housing as a symbol of prestige. Not everyone views housing in that way. Remove the prestige element created by scarcity and the former would lose interest in housing while the latter would have a more enjoyable game experience.
Again the issue is not people not having a home; its they don't get the "best one". I think many of the players putting hours upon hours to do stuff like what you see on eden is a prime example that they do appreciate their homes and so they invest in them. Those who do not yet have houses cannot appreciate what they do not have however.
Need more wards.
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01-21-2023, 04:50 AMAyan_Calvesse
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01-21-2023, 04:55 AMAvoidyPeople will always feel bad about bad luck; it's why RNG systems like these are so terrible in the first place. Doesn't mean more individual wards isn't a good start towards making housing attainable for people who will actually use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yodada
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01-21-2023, 07:08 AMAyan_CalvesseWould a fair compromise perhaps be a more strict requirement to continue to possess a home? I mean we know Demo has been turned off for far too long; then there is the matter of dead homes devoid of users and the issue with Sub-fleets requiring solo FC's take up real-estate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avoidy
I would LOVE to see the actual housing metrics once you cut down to a baseline - that is to say; get rid of the extra homes people do own; get rid of the abandoned homes; get rid of the homes that are not seeing use aside for workshops (I am not saying remove workshops; only remove the need to have multiple homes for people that run their mega-fleet)
Again just a glance at this bidding cycle on Crystal leads me to believe that there is enough - One thing that I would change is to remove the current limitation that stops you from bidding on other worlds on your DC; as your someone on Balmung I wince when I see how your shards bidding went; on the flip side the bidding on Goblin however was laughable. -
01-21-2023, 09:06 AMJojoyaThat may answer the second part of the question but not the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse
Where are you getting information that a new housing district is coming in 7.0? They don't add a new housing district every expansion. The two districts that they have added also were opened to purchase with the x.1 patches, not x.0. To my knowledge, there has been no hint or tease that a new one is coming.
Your reply to my other point you quoted immediately falls flat because you dragged demolition into it. Demolition was not part of the original housing design. It wasn't added until a couple of years after housing was first introduced and was only added due to a large amount of player feedback about owned plots being unused while there are players who wanted to get a plot. It continues to fall flat considering the number of times SE has suspended demolition for whatever reason.
Housing does not exist to tie players to the game. It exists because it is a popular feature in MMOs and players always request it when it is absent. Happy players with things to do are what keep them tied to a game, not ownership of a house in a game they otherwise have no interest in playing. Only fools pay to retain ownership of virtual pixels in a game they aren't playing instead of spending that money on the game they are playing.
On the resource side of things, you're conflating quality and quantity. Development teams could have had members shifted from housing to dungeon but all that would have done is increased the quantity of dungeons created. It wouldn't have corrected the fundamental flaws in dungeon or combat design that made those systems unenjoyable for the player base. RIFT, as an example, had a reasonable amount of content even without housing. The problem was the content design was mediocre. It wasn't bad but it also wasn't especially good at a time when a large number of MMOs were getting released. Taking resources away from housing wouldn't have fixed that problem and likely would have led to the game dying even faster than it did (even though it's actually still operating).
Same with Wildstar. The fundamental flaw there was they wanted to make a MMO for the "hardcore" players and that's what they did. The skill gap between leveling content and end game content was massive, and housing alone was not enough for the casual players not capable of making that leap. Removing housing from Wildstar would have only seen the game shut down that much sooner because there would have been that much less for the casual players who make up the bulk any MMO's paying customers to do. -
01-21-2023, 10:58 AMDreamstone
Just make a pity system for players who have failed countless times. Increase their odds against other players. It's not fair when a player who has been trying to get a house since HW has to compete with a level 68 gil buying RMT sprout.
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01-21-2023, 11:08 AMYodadaAh Balmung Housing. I love the smell of despair in the morning ;PQuote:
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01-21-2023, 11:11 AMEradenMao is constantly amazed at how so many peoples nots like Goblets. Is Mao's favorite place! Mao just got a medium there and Mao is staying puts!Quote:
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01-21-2023, 05:21 PMMidlithe
I think they need to make a couple changes.
1) LESS FC Only Wards - Especially after "FAKE FC's" are being created to buy up entire wards (Why is this even possible?)
2) Personal House shared among all characters on that server (we can't buy multiple plots, but we can't share either with our ALTS)
3) Keep Lottery System - but maybe give priority to folks that have made multiple attempts?
4) Instances? Why are we looking at 30 wards in five locations?
5) Let us build our home on our island - solves lots of problems. I was a bit upset when that finally dropped and it was so limited (Yes I know Yoshi told us it would be that way)
6) Convert all Wards to FC's only and make islands personal housing options for say 5 million gil to unlock small spot and additional unlocks cost 5 million gil per area for all of the island being like 50 million to unlock (After 20 million you can do medium, 40 million large housing plots).
7) Address those "FAKE FC's" that have a single owner for large ward ownerships. I think it was like named FCs in mass owning different wards (See RMT Thread - don't want that FC slum lord saying I'm "Doxing" them like they did in that thread) -
01-21-2023, 05:51 PMCorvus_Vhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm-kfA9W...g&name=900x900Quote:
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I'm trying to get through to people. It's really hard. They pull so much bullshit outta nowhere whenever you try to explain that the structure is all there, SE is just being lazy. Makes me sick. -
01-22-2023, 12:18 AMRaim
There is zero official evidence of them adding a new set of wards in 7.0. But they should for Sharlayan. It already has multiple sized buildings and a living quarters looking part of the city for inspiration.