Add Eureka/Bozja to Daily Challenges Roulette

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

While I would be happy to see more variety in AR roulette, I'm worried that to make it possible, they'll just outright remove the LA system, which is a major reason why I love running Eureka/BSF contents. :(

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one way of addressing that would be to make a new roulette with DR and the Dalriada. That way, when you queue you know what to expect and can prepare adequately. I would definitely queue for that regularly.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

People are running it and enjoying it. (Every day, there's a DC to hop to for Rival wings.) What is the problem? Maybe you should actually try this out first before bashing it like it's some heinous act.

Should they also add roulette for other activities? Maybe you roulette for an FC or a venue. Sometimes you just need to do things yourself.

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I think the point is that content should be proofed enough that outside communication methods aren't needed to accomplish it. I'm usually in the camp of "just use discord" but lately I'm starting to see the viewpoint of those who think the devs should provide ways to accomplish the content without it. More incentives should be applied to give people a reason to return to the content and tossing it into a roulette isn't a bad idea imo.

It's understandable for savage runs of DR to be formed out of the game because you actually need everyone listening and on the same page to get the clear with the limit on raises it has plus just how chaotic it can quickly become. Normal runs of DR, Castrum and Dal I don't think really *need* to be kept to Discord in the same fashion.

Ultimately putting those 3 specifically into roulettes would be nice for those still trying to wrap up achievements. The zone activities themselves are another story as the devs really need to put in a reason for those who have finished to return.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I think the point is that content should be proofed enough that outside communication methods aren't needed to accomplish it. I'm usually in the camp of "just use discord" but lately I'm starting to see the viewpoint of those who think the devs should provide ways to accomplish the content without it. More incentives should be applied to give people a reason to return to the content and tossing it into a roulette isn't a bad idea imo.

It's understandable for savage runs of DR to be formed out of the game because you actually need everyone listening and on the same page to get the clear with the limit on raises it has plus just how chaotic it can quickly become. Normal runs of DR, Castrum and Dal I don't think really *need* to be kept to Discord in the same fashion.

Ultimately putting those 3 specifically into roulettes would be nice for those still trying to wrap up achievements. The zone activities themselves are another story as the devs really need to put in a reason for those who have finished to return.

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Like I said earlier, discord was used from the start in Bozja (and likely Eureka. I've only been around for so long.) We made coordinated efforts to queue up for CLL, as not everyone was doing it (and not everyone was good at it). Some higher level of communication has always been necessary in these games for years and it's better that it's handled by third parties, rather than taking up time and resources in the game environment.

As far as Bozja goes, I believe the devs did plenty to facilitate completing the content. From content that originally required 48 people, they made allowances for fewer to participate and complete objectives. A party of 8 or less can do whatever they need to do. They shouldn't have to hold people's hands and shepherd them into these areas to complete content. Roulettes aren't the answer to everything. They're great for people doing smaller scale content, but as the controversial alliance roulette shows, people start to lose interest in objectives that take longer than 20 minutes.

If they were to actually port CLL, DR and Dal to a more compact format, then I could see having them be accessible some other way, but even then you're still at the mercy of people's actual desire to run the content and then we end up with threads complaining about queues. This is why we've been better off not having a new exploration zone this expansion. They need to take some time to make improvements to that system or possibly move away from it.

This whole idea is very lacking at the moment. You can't just throw stuff in a roulette and expect people to go for it just because of an excess of carrots added to the stick.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

one way of addressing that would be to make a new roulette with DR and the Dalriada. That way, when you queue you know what to expect and can prepare adequately. I would definitely queue for that regularly.

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One of the main reasons I made this post was to directly address some of the issues with the raid requirements in these zones. DR can be specifcally preped and queued for (however as mentioned in the thread, it really should have its own daily duty queue), but Dalriada requires you be in the zone to enter it, same with Castrum in Southern Front, which hasn't had anywhere close to full runs since 5.55 launched. While BA can be sepecifically preped and queued for, it's also not part of the zone story questline and thus not a hard requirement. As a result it's more so in the category of duels where having zone filled up with more players might offer more oppertunities at achievement completion. Which is something I'm completely fine with discord servers and groups being around for as it's not a hard requirement.

The main goal of a Eureka/Bozja roullette queue is to effectively boost player participation in the completion process of the zones to keep content relevant and provide new players a better experience. It would fill the same niche as the 50/60/70/80 dungeon queue.

Already out of stuff to do in 6.3 and kinda wishing I had more queues avalible to do right now.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

While we're at it, put stuff like Delubrum Reginae normal in the alliance raid roulette and have an npc at the start who just hands you essences for like 1 gil so people can get in there more and actually enjoy themselves playing the game mode and maybe help some first timers out too. "Just use discord" is such a lazy excuse for people to hand to square. They're a 2 billion dollar company that extracts your money every month, let THEM do the job of making their own content relevant again. Even when you put up a PF, assuming you can even get 8 people during primetime, you just wait in queue for 10 mandatory minutes, zone in, and wow wouldn't you know it. There's nobody else there. Imagine blowing money and devtime on content that you know is gonna be hella abandoned in like a year, when you could avoid that by just throwing it in the roulette.

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I think you'd cause more problems than you would solve because those are completely different formats of raids. Alliance Raids are much more structured and hold to roles more strictly. You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format. If they do anything, they should find a way to get the instances into DF for these zones and make a roulette of that. Then people aren't blindsided by something like DR where they queued as a healer but there are no tanks so now they're expected to take on a different role using Lost Actions they may or may not have any real understanding of.

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Originally Posted by McChaffee

Since we're not getting anything similar this expansion, this is a petition thread to request that all the Eureka and Bozja zones be added as a queue that rotates through each zone daily in the manner that frontlines currently does. One day it's Anemos, then next day it's Pagos, then Pyros, then Hydatos, then Southern Front and lastly Zadnor. Upon entering via the duty roulette queue, you get a short list of objectives to complete within the zone to recieve the reward as described further down in this post to increase zone activity and help newer players clearing the zone for the first time.

*EDIT* I would like to further specify that this be an addition via the duty finder while not removing the existing manner of entering zones so new players doing these zones for the first time can still do these zones at their own pace. The goal is to revive activity in this content by funneling players via the duty finder into the existing zone instances. Thereby giving new players some days during the week where they can see the zones active as they originally were on launch and providing veterans rewards/achievement opportunities.*EDIT*

I would also like to request that DR receives its own challenge roulette queue as it's required for Bozja completion, and it would greatly aid getting new players through the instances.


For the Eureka zones, make the completion requirement somewhere between 6-8 FATEs per zone. This might require the spawn rate for FATEs to be adjusted.

Since Bozja is a bit more developed than Eureka is in FATE department, make the completion requirement for Bozja Zones:

Must complete two of the three objectives:
5 Skirmishes
3 Critical Engagements
1 Castrum Lacus Litore/The Dalriada



Upon completing the objectives, give the players the option to remain in the zone (to provide opportunities for people to commit to content like Baldesion Arsenal or Duels). Completion rewards should be something along the lines of:

1. Large amount of instance related EXP
2. Large amount of current job EXP
3. Additional Eureka/Bozja Actions/Currencies
4. Tomestone currency based on your job level. (Including current end-game raid ones if on a max level job.)

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5) Large amount of mettle

Yeah something like that is fine, my original post rewards are just kinda a general guideline for the request.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I think you'd cause more problems than you would solve because those are completely different formats of raids. Alliance Raids are much more structured and hold to roles more strictly. You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format. If they do anything, they should find a way to get the instances into DF for these zones and make a roulette of that. Then people aren't blindsided by something like DR where they queued as a healer but there are no tanks so now they're expected to take on a different role using Lost Actions they may or may not have any real understanding of.

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I think providing essences to the player at the start of the run would solve a lot of these problems. If enough people kept doing it because it was in the roulette, I think the community would just figure out how to make it smooth. DRN isn't that hard. Failing that, the dutyfinder version of it could just stick to a more traditional 24-man party composition by forcing anyone who queues it through dutyfinder to have a typical party comp (i.e. no groups with 2 tanks, etc) and then grabbing parties in the same way it'd grab comps for any other 24man. Either way, at least people who want to do it would be able to just queue up, and the content barely anyone does would finally see some more play.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format.

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FWIW people get orbonne and leave because they want crystal tower, so my initial post was not overly concerned with appealing to people who queue a roulette with something specific in mind. With a full group using free damage essences, DRN would take like 20 minutes tops and drops rare jackpot items that are worth serious gil. I definitely won't speak for everyone, but I'd be queuing up the roulette and celebrating if I got DRN in that context.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I think providing essences to the player at the start of the run would solve a lot of these problems. If enough people kept doing it because it was in the roulette, I think the community would just figure out how to make it smooth. DRN isn't that hard. Failing that, the dutyfinder version of it could just stick to a more traditional 24-man party composition by forcing anyone who queues it through dutyfinder to have a typical party comp (i.e. no groups with 2 tanks, etc) and then grabbing parties in the same way it'd grab comps for any other 24man. Either way, at least people who want to do it would be able to just queue up, and the content barely anyone does would finally see some more play.



FWIW people get orbonne and leave because they want crystal tower, so my initial post was not overly concerned with appealing to people who queue a roulette with something specific in mind. With a full group using free damage essences, DRN would take like 20 minutes tops and drops rare jackpot items that are worth serious gil. I definitely won't speak for everyone, but I'd be queuing up the roulette and celebrating if I got DRN in that context.

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They would at the least have to force traditional roles setup so there wasn't the cognitive dissonance of not being able to play the role you queued as. There also may be DF limitations that won't allow two different formats in that roulette.

But I still question the wisdom of shoehorning content with special requirements like essences that people don't seek out now into content that runs on a completely different format. Especially with the idea that people will just "figure it out". Seems like this idea is catering to the niche group that like this content (because if it was popular, wouldn't it be sought out more and be more active already?) at the expense of those who currently enjoy Alliance Roulette. That's why they should retool these special instances to be available on a roulette, but on their own roulette so anyone who chooses that roulette knows and agrees to what they're getting into.