Criterion savage, only for i625-i630?

I'm curious given I don't do Savage what ilevel was minimum for this tier? I would suspect that would be the same requirement for the Criterion dungeons. They certainly won't be set up for people who have completed savage and have the latest Biz gear.

I hope its not too high. I got friends who aren't interested in savage raids, but loves the idea of savage dungeons, due to the ease of getting 4 friends togheter, rather than 8.

Since p8 is set to 610 I think 610-615 would be fine

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

610 will be the likely ilvl just because there are people that aren't into savage tier that would find a light party easier to deal with.

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Variant Dungeons are meant to be for the casual "easier" player base.

Savage dungeons are meant for people who strive for an extra challenge.

I don't think BiS will be the base ilevel for it, prob 615 ish.

It's 618 or below, at least according to the picture.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

You can also enter DSR with i580

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Ultimates seem to be special and don't have an "Average Item Level" that you must meet. Of course, this item level is not relevant if you queue with a full party anyway, because a full party can ignore the item level requirement since a patch that happened a long time ago now, but if there is an "Average Item Level" that you are not meeting it still says.

Because a full party can ignore the item level requirement, it's less of an issue, but then we can say the content is tuned to that item level and being below it might be too hard. It seems like it is 618 or below so you can probably use crafted gear.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

610 will be the likely ilvl just because there are people that aren't into savage tier that would find a light party easier to deal with.

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Pretty much has to be 610 as it needs to be accessible to non raiders.

Barring non-raiders would be a creative way of shooting themselves in the foot, gotta hand them that.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Pretty much has to be 610 as it needs to be accessible to non raiders.

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why will the savage version be i610 when the ex version is 610 min ilvl ?

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Originally Posted by Corbeau

Barring non-raiders would be a creative way of shooting themselves in the foot, gotta hand them that.

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Its the case for ultimates, I dont think criterion savage is meant for casuals ?
Variant dungeon and criterion ex is meant for casuals

If you think that all non-raiders are casual, you have missed why M+ became competitive in WoW.

I still feel there should be no difference in ilvl for reasons stated above.

While I don't engage in anything above extreme, it's a choice I make primarily for keeping the stress down. Finding and retaining a good static of 8 is troublesome. Savage in PF can be a nightmare and I'm already low on patience from EX. :) I know I'm not alone in this. Locking us out would be an unfair mistake.

Savage raiders already have their tier to work through and there are those of us looking for a challenge without all the fuss. I see this as a nice middle ground. It's easier to line up 4 schedules or just find 3 other players that aren't looking to get carried.