RIP SAM - no reverts planned for 6.2

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hanayumi

My only guess why they would stick to these recent job changes is because they already planned future skills/traits for the jobs, so reverting things, would be a greater set back.

---

Yeah, just like they had plans for healers when they destroyed them in ShB? Still waiting for something more than glare. It's fine if your job is absolutely horrible to play for years right? It's gonna get better in X.0! This is an absolute pants on heads idiotic way to change things, doubly so after they have demonstrably shown 0 plans or roadmap regarding future job changes, and I don't understand how anyone could get behind it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stasya

You are just a troll. What makes it obvious? See even a casual player could have noticed that instead of using kaiten/shinten in rotation all SAM does after 6.1 is just spamming almost 2x shinten which results in same "million buttons to weave in". Why? Kaiten was 20 kenki ..... ta daaah!!!!!

And also just from casual player perspective i can't imagine getting better gear in dungeon/normal raids/alliance raids/tome gear and seeing similar wet noodle 25k damage thats grotesquely shows up in bigger font. Whats the point of having "% crit" name if its not really a crit?

---

I'm a "troll", ok!

Let's end our discussion with that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stasya

You are just a troll. What makes it obvious? See even a casual player could have noticed that instead of using kaiten/shinten in rotation all SAM does after 6.1 is just spamming almost 2x shinten which results in same "million buttons to weave in". Why? Kaiten was 20 kenki ..... ta daaah!!!!!

And also just from casual player perspective i can't imagine getting better gear in dungeon/normal raids/alliance raids/tome gear and seeing similar wet noodle 25k damage thats grotesquely shows up in bigger font. Whats the point of having "% crit" name if its not really a crit?

---

Who took the jam out of your donut?

Going to call every person “troll” that expresses otherwise?

Very mature of you SAMs that are reluctant for change

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eldtagg

We have to also remember MMORPG's is not just for the 3% of players in the top but also for dirty casuals like me.

---

The thing is, if you're a casual playing easier content you can literally ignore these buttons and/or take them off your bar and you won't lose out on anything. It will not stop you from clearing anything or even doing decent damage, you'll be able to do MSQ content, roulettes and even things like Unreal and EX fights. When you take this into account there's no good reason to prune things and make it worse for players who do care about optimizing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vencio

Some people refuse to go along with the changes,

Some refuse to evolve & remain stagnant,

It’s a great wonder to even ask why

---

Parse higher then grey and then talk about "evolving" to the changes. You don't even know how to play the game.

You're extrapolating quite a lot from that statement because it fits what you want to believe because you want to be angry....

The statement doesn't say that they won't give Kaiten back and if they didn't give a shit then they wouldn't take the time to explain things to us or delay other reworks due to the negative response.
I see people talk about the whole crit thing but we've had auto-crits removed before in the past ( see Kassatsu as an example ).
He should be able to talk about crit as a game mechanic without people putting words in his mouth and reading things into it because people obsess about Kaiten 24/7.
Like holy shit, yes I get it I don't like the removal of Kaiten either.
But it's getting extremely tiresome with this excessive levels of negativity and just blatant intentional outrage for the sake of outrage.
Like you're not interested at all in listening to what they have to say in good faith, all you're doing is taking harmless and obvious statements then reading things into it that fits the narrative you want to push and put words in their mouth and spin things to make it sound like he's saying things in a spiteful way when he isn't.

No one will ever be happy regardless what changes they make, even if they returned Kaiten there would be people unhappy about it because they approved of the removal of it.
He's just making a broad statement not everything that comes out of his mouth is about Kaiten.
The devs do listen, but they don't listen to people who have no interest in being respectful or can't interact with them in good faith.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quor

Incorrect. Hagakure and Energy Drain were removed from the game at the start of ShB (5.0). They were returned in 5.08, which wasn't even a major patch, but rather the release of the savage raids for Eden 1-4. So there is absolutely precedent.

---

Yes and Energy Drain was returned specifically because people asked for it.
Just because people don't get what they want all the time or immediately doesn't mean that they're not listening.
Altho if people want to be listened to then these types of threads are completely counter-productive, the devs have said many times that they ignore and stop reading comments that are disrespectful and aggressive towards them and that the fastest way of being listened to is to be respectful.

People behave like toddlers then wonder why they're not being heard.
If people actually want the devs to read their comment then skip the hyperbole and weird personal attacks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Then there may be a shred of hope after all, unless too much time has passed already in comparison to them. It could also get nerfed like they were.

---

My guess is that they might return Kaiten and make it the auto-crit function.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ransu

Parse higher then grey and then talk about "evolving" to the changes. You don't even know how to play the game.

---

-sighs & sips wine- this one is ever raging,

Listen, you’ve made a martyr out of Kaiten on your slogan. I cannot fathom to ever comprehend what’s this rage you’re still containing which is not helping.

How does parse dictate my overall gameplay of the game anyway? : /

You could try better than that

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ransu

Parse higher then grey and then talk about "evolving" to the changes. You don't even know how to play the game.

---

Imagine the struggle healers get when they get him in dungeons. He probably doesn't know that some skills reduce damage he takes and that there are buttons that can hit multiple enemies at same time. And after healer rescues him and pulls more he doesn't take mobs and complains that hes a tank and sets the PACE.

Truly a troll on forums and in game.

You and Ransu probably don't want to go down this road unless you want to get banned tbh.
Especially on the forum.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

You and Ransu probably don't want to go down this road unless you want to get banned tbh.
Especially on the forum.

---

This dude trolls and we yet to see mods take action on him.

There were another dude who trolled SAM players like they deserve these changes and clearly used fflogs data as reference why they deserved it. He was not banned btw, atleast he cooled down.

And to no surprise there are mods on these forum but they are only active in Japan section sadly.