6.1 Patch Notes

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

So, here's a question. Do the MP cost reductions to Aero and Stone carry over when it upgrades to Dia and Glare? If the level 90 spells are still as expensive, I'm not so sure the MP issue has been fixed at all.

Misery being able to hit 60s raid buff windows now is huge, though. Though it's DPS-neutral on its own, being able to hit the raid buffs will make it DPS-positive.

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I'm assuming saving 4 glares to use afflatus abilities per minute will probably make enough of a difference.

WHM also still has the most issue recovering mp during death. we are going into the new ultimate and I am concerned over WHM not keeping up in terms of healing considering their mp was not really helped at level 90. We still lose our lilies when we die. We still only have two thin air stacks that frankly suck and we still only have lucid. If WHM dies and lucid is down they are basically helpless for 20 seconds.

Very happy with the Lily/Misery changes. Now I won’t feel bad for using them++

WHM is very unforgiving as the only starting healer and these changes really don't do much to fix this. If Blood Lilies and Afflatus Misery are going to be so important, they need to consider giving them to us at a lower level.

Wait. Ain't these an oversight?

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Something that I do note is that yes lillies are neutral now and as such it might present an option for salt mage players to use them insted of 1200mp casting 3 glares

only paladins dont need healing anymore either because they just got a shit ton of sustain. Why couldn't drk get that sustain the poor job needs it.

Oh and we might not need to heal the drk's anymore out of living dead.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Misery is damage neutral now, but is that enough to justify pausing attacks to use Lilies?

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Yes, you can freely use lilies as long as you have not completed charging Misery, or you can ignore lilies and overcap if you don't need them for movement or healing. The loss now would be if you had Misery ready but used a lily heal instead; or you did not enter the 2min party burst window with a Misery charge ready. Whether you use your lilies or let them overcap does not matter as long as you avoid those two things.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

No they haven't. Yes these are some positive changes but there's still various problems in the healers and the nerf to expedient was unneccesary.

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

I wish, they've listened for once but we still have loads of problems, remember we are still a class that spams 1 button as much as tanks autoattack

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I get where you guys are coming from, and yes these changes don't "fix" healers but short of more fundamental reworks, which we were not going to get in this patch I don't think anything will. Yeah there are a few things that are missing like combining some of ast's buttons that really shouldn't be separate but we got a lot of good fixes for what they are and I think credit should be give where credit is due. I stand by what I said and frankly, if we aren't willing give credit where credit is due when SE gives us changes that we want, why should they listen to us at all. At least that's how I see it.

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Originally Posted by Ryme

I get where you guys are coming from, and yes these changes don't "fix" healers but short of more fundamental reworks, which we were not going to get in this patch I don't think anything will. Yeah there are a few things that are missing like combining some of ast's buttons that really shouldn't be separate but we got a lot of good fixes for what they are and I think credit should be give where credit is due. I stand by what I said and frankly, if we aren't willing give credit where credit is due when SE gives us changes that we want, why should they listen to us at all. At least that's how I see it.

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The problem stems from why couldn’t we get more drastic changes to healers this patch? Dps did. Dps had entire buttons taken away. Why is it okay for them to get drastic changes but not healers? We are consistently being told wait until x and then x never happens.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

Something that I do note is that yes lillies are neutral now and as such it might present an option for salt mage players to use them insted of 1200mp casting 3 glares

only paladins dont need healing anymore either because they just got a shit ton of sustain. Why couldn't drk get that sustain the poor job needs it.

Oh and we might not need to heal the drk's anymore out of living dead.

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You'll want to use lilies even if it means overhealing. Misery now aligns with raid buff windows, which overall will make it DPS positive, not neutral.