Ninja or Monk

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Meanwhile, I swapped from MNK to NIN after having played MNK since ARR lol.

But yeah.
Kinda feel a tad bit bad about it considering how good they are atm + rework.
I just really can't stand their outdated animations for their combos, they feel and look so weak my biggest wish this exp was that MNK would get new combos that looked more like Tifa in the FF7 Remake or something.

That aside, I generally go SAM on new fights for practice because I find it to be easier and easier to perform on when not knowing the fights already.
And I don't have any issues clearing the Savage tier on either of them.
It does suck knowing that I can do more damage with less effort or even if the effort is the same on something else than NIN.
But I think people shouldn't let that decide what they play too.

DNC is the worst DPS currently too and I cleared three of the Savage fights first on DNC because physical ranged was so in demand ( especially hard to find night time too before reset ), and do jump in on it sometimes too for reclear when necessary.
And it's not really a problem either, if I do my part and don't die and people blame me for playing DNC instead of BRD or MCH if we wipe to enrage when other people have died multiple times in the fight then they're just being stupid.
Ultimately people should just play what they want regardless, every Job can clear.
Some of the weirdest comps I've had had the fastest clears on too because people didn't suck while I've had plenty of groups with the best performing Jobs that sucked ass and died to enrage.

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Dancer is amazing the rdps i see avoided is mch it doesnt bring enough value. i've cleared the tier with dnc as well and play whatever fits into an almost full party for reclears. It puts out high damage if you partner with a good dps but it really depends on the partner which can add .5k over a bad one. I was able to get 7.5k @590 on p4s door with a purple drg which is just under an average melee player. Curing waltz is what makes dnc shine. In p4s it saves lifes during act 2/cc. I'd always take a dnc over other rdps.

For fast clears nin comps tend to clear fastest in pf. Not because the nin does more dmg but because the of buff alignment. Everyone is trying to line up buffs with ta which dictates buff windows. No other job brings a clear visual indicator on when burst windows are.

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Originally Posted by Hawuhawuu

Dancer is amazing the rdps i see avoided is mch it doesnt bring enough value. i've cleared the tier with dnc as well and play whatever fits into an almost full party for reclears. It puts out high damage if you partner with a good dps but it really depends on the partner which can add .5k over a bad one. I was able to get 7.5k @590 on p4s door with a purple drg which is just under an average melee player. Curing waltz is what makes dnc shine. In p4s it saves lifes during act 2/cc. I'd always take a dnc over other rdps.

For fast clears nin comps tend to clear fastest in pf. Not because the nin does more dmg but because the of buff alignment. Everyone is trying to line up buffs with ta which dictates buff windows. No other job brings a clear visual indicator on when burst windows are.

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You're right that DNC isn't perhaps quite as relient on party members as NIN for dmg since they mainly just buff one person.
Only being relient on one person isn't quite as punishing then again if the whole party sucks then you won't clear either.
But PF gonna PF lol.
They're still behind tho way moreso than NIN.

My overall point was just that people should moreso look at improving their skill level than just pick whatever is the fotm.
Obviously balance and potential matters, but in the end of the day I'd rather take a good NIN over a very meh or even bad SAM.
And tbh if both of them are good then I kinda just don't care because we should be able to clear with either.

I think if people are going to pick MNK over NIN then it should be because it's more enjoyable to play to them rather than just because it puts out higher numbers.
If we were talking about Guild Wars 2 where the numbers are completely out of wack and it has never been balanced and some professions ( jobs ) are just super overpowered then I'd probably be more hesitant to recommend some for more serious play.
But in FFXIV the numbers aren't that different and all of them performs well enough where it shouldn't be a problem.
So I'd just recommend solely based on what's fun etc rather than what puts out a bit bigger numbers.