Gap Closer/Backflip with Potency, do you like them?

I can just tell you all play on mouse and keyboard to be praising Shukuchi... /s

that aside, I do think gap closers should not, generally, have potencies attached to them. A good example of this, I think, is pre-EW Warrior. It had a potency and you could use it for damage if you wanted to/could, but instead of having charges, it cost gauge and you likely would have something better to use gauge on instead of that if you needed damage, while also not costing so much gauge that you'd have the risk of not having it available if you needed to gap close. Charges are... fine, they're not horrible, you can always just save one to gap close and the rest for damage, but I don't feel like it's the best option available. That's, obviously, Elusive Jump. The best skill in the game. 0% chance of throwing yourself off an edge!

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Originally Posted by hfang

I can just tell you all play on mouse and keyboard to be praising Shukuchi... /s

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Console Shukuchi player here. Have you tried the new ground target options?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Have you tried the new ground target options?

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Yeah! It's much better, actually, I was joking. I'm not very used to it as I haven't played Ninja all that much, but I found that using a simple macro like /ac Shukuchi <t> has been working the best for me (and makes it feel like a "regular" gap closer)

Honestly personally not a fan of "Utility" related things like mobility being tied into a damage OGCD, i'd rather they just be a second ogcd or have the potency/charge concept baked into the mainline one like upheaval on Warrior and leave them as a utility button you hit occasionally when needed, especially if they get more flexibility like moving to teammates as Thunderclap did

I don't like it being the only option for a gap closer, altho I prefer teleports like on NIN it gives you more control.
Teleports do feel a bit clunky at times tho, like sometimes you click and nothing happens.

I would rather pretty much every gap closer to do no damage and just be there when you need it for utility
Mainly for Tanks,Dragoon just needs a elusive dive that goes forward not to rely on spine shatter

About Shukuchi:I always used it with the macro that makes it a targeted ability. I do the same for most ground-targeted abilities.

... A good thread?

Yes, I hate gapcloser with damage. If they had some form of utility I would be okay with it. It could be visually good for a PLD to dash to a buddy and give it a shield.
But if it has damage, it will be used for damage.

MNK, BLM and SGE are really satisfying to play thanks to that mobility that rewards ingenuity.
Plus, you can GCD -> thunderclap on a lalafell -> pet the lalafell -> thunderclap back to boss -> GCD.
It's a strong, scary power move that proves your superiority much more than any legend title.

And that is no sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

I swear if you DPS mains get us Tank mains gapclosers changed there will be riots!!

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Nah I think they want them to be easier to use since they extended the range of them.

I kind of like them all in aggregate. I would not like any one single approach universally.

That is to say, if we let the camp of people who want all gap closers to have no potency design the game, it would be a lot more boring.

But like, I also enjoy Thunderclap existing, or directional movements like Ingress. I think the game should employ a variety of ways for characters to get around. For the gap closers that do damage, there could be more variety. Like, maybe one with a minimum distance so that you don't want to use it in a melee rotation. Similarly, while what they did with RDM is fine, they could have also just made their gap close part of their initial sword combo GCD. I think there's so many ways to go about it. I loathe the day they employed the whole gap closer that does damage on multiple charges across multiple jobs. That's boring and they could be a lot more imaginative; it certainly contributed to the sense of homogeneity across tanks in Shadowbringers especially.