please balance seals per hour

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Yes there is an exploit. I'm not talking about a speed run. The exploit is that you get into a group to enter totorak, and everyone leaves the group allowing a single person to run around in the dungeon and get all the drops. You can't enter the dungeon solo, the exploit lies in the fact that these folks are completing the dungeon solo which shouldn't be allowed based on the entrance criteria.

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People gets 3k not from solo......................

it's 1k-1.5k per speedrun which is about 10-15min run.
2k-3k per 30min for 1 person.

If you enter with two person and shares drops its 2k-3k per hour.

This is why people need to try sheet out first before they talks.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Yes there is an exploit. I'm not talking about a speed run. The exploit is that you get into a group to enter totorak, and everyone leaves the group allowing a single person to run around in the dungeon and get all the drops. You can't enter the dungeon solo, the exploit lies in the fact that these folks are completing the dungeon solo which shouldn't be allowed based on the entrance criteria.

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Oh, well yeah that's kind of an exploit. I thought you meant separating from your party as in going off on different paths to get the chests.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Yes there is an exploit. I'm not talking about a speed run. The exploit is that you get into a group to enter totorak, and everyone leaves the group allowing a single person to run around in the dungeon and get all the drops. You can't enter the dungeon solo, the exploit lies in the fact that these folks are completing the dungeon solo which shouldn't be allowed based on the entrance criteria.

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Does that allow the entire party to obtain drops separate from one another? I.e., duping?

Elsewise it's not an exploit. O.o And I don't actually know anyone who does Totorak thus. Everyone wants seals. (>.> ) Nobody wants to get someone in and then duck out, they'd like some seals too.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Oh, well yeah that's kind of an exploit. I thought you meant separating from your party as in going off on different paths to get the chests.

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for the record, as i already stated. I get 2K+ an hour in a 2 person group, not solo...

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

really, can you please not junk up my thread with this nonsense.

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first go f**k yourself, I'm entitled to my opinion

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

well the game lets people drop party and leave the dungeon too.

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yes it does, which is exploitable and should be fixed.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

and i wasnt saying it is an exploit, i was saying that you have the gimme now attitude when you zerge the SH instead of facing it as challenging content.

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you know how many times I've done that? 3. get off your high horse.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

Does that allow the entire party to obtain drops separate from one another? I.e., duping?

Elsewise it's not an exploit. O.o And I don't actually know anyone who does Totorak thus. Everyone wants seals. (>.> ) Nobody wants to get someone in and then duck out, they'd like some seals too.

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but people ARE doing this, which is why I mentioned it.

also heres the defenition of an exploit:

An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw including glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1]

Completing totorak solo so that one person can obtain a ridiculous amount of seals was not intended otherwise your could enter solo. Therefore, it's an exploit.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

but people ARE doing this, which is why I mentioned it.

also heres the defenition of an exploit:

An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw including glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1]

Completing totorak solo so that one person can obtain a ridiculous amount of seals was not intended otherwise your could enter solo. Therefore, it's an exploit.

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pretty sure its working as intended...

I think that calling solo Toto-Rak farming an exploit is pretty shaky. Where do you draw the line on what an "exploit" is?

1. Is duoing Toto-Rak and splitting the drops an exploit?
2. Is duoing Toto-Rak and giving all of the drops to one person an exploit?
3. Is duoing Toto-Rak but leaving one of the party members AFK at the entrance an exploit?
4. Is entering Toto-Rak with two people but then having one person drop party and leave after zoning in an exploit?
5. Is one person playing with two accounts (i.e. dual-boxing) to do any of the above an exploit?

Is it still an exploit if one person is allowed to grab all chest items while the other just follows?
I get what you're trying to say, but there's no rule saying they have to share rewards.

If a person drops, or lets the other party member grab everything while they're both inside, there's no real difference.

Not everyone cares about seals.

what molly doesn't realize is that the only people that do this are people who play with 2 accounts. No one is gonna get someone in and just wait outside for them.