Why does Sage punish you for using your healing spells?

SGE is a 'barrier healer'. Like SCH, they're designed to effectively slow down the damage rate your allies take rather than restoring missing health quickly like 'regen healers' that are WHM & AST. They do have tools to do the otherwise, but if you approach them the same way as you play your WHM, you are more likely to run into trouble.

Kardion is a maintenance tool that's slapped together with your damage kits: it rewards you better by playing proactively/aggressively. It saves you more healing needed to be thrown the more you dps. If you're bored you can even switch Kardia partner around to heal those chip damages your other party's taking (I did this sometimes and it's quite fun). That being said you should not rely 100% of time on Kardion for healing. Additional needed healings are covered through a good use of their abilities such as Addersgall, Soteria, Holos, Physis, & (Pan)Haima; additionally a special mention their current capstone ability, Pneuma. Healing spells are their last resort. Normally you wouldn't even need to touch these outside prepull E.Diagnosis/E.Prognosis.

If the player can semi-plan it ahead, SGE is such a beast.

If you need gcd heals on a healer, with all due respect, git gud

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Originally Posted by kizumiayamame

Why does sage punish you for using healing spells? The way Kardion works is that you ONLY heal when you cast a damage spell. No other healer works like that or has their healing tied to their damage. It's such an unnecessary mechanic that incentivizes healers to make Suboptimal plays. As a former White Mage player (let's not get into the thin air nerfs, shall we) it's incredibly frustrating that sqenix ignores what gameplay feels like for healers. Just make kardion work whenever you cast ANY gcd. I shouldn't be forced to spam damage moves when my tank is dying.

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As someone who mains whm. Sage is not a whm only thing they have in common they both can do some dps but like everyone has say kardion just a Regan skill nothing else just like eos or Regan. As someone who has played sage it takes some time to get use to it be it is very enjoyable healing job.

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Originally Posted by Endariel

If you need gcd heals on a healer, with all due respect, git gud

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only if the other players are properly gear and know what they are doing

as we have no control what players we get in the party other than premade, there are always situtation we have to use every tools

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

only if the other players are properly gear and know what they are doing

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Or they know what they are doing, and trust the healer. Rushing through a dungeon with lots of adds because you know your WHM can outheal the damage, giving your AoE DPS a higher efficiency. GCD heals enable such dungeon rushing quite well.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Or they know what they are doing, and trust the healer. Rushing through a dungeon with lots of adds because you know your WHM can outheal the damage, giving your AoE DPS a higher efficiency. GCD heals enable such dungeon rushing quite well.

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Every time healer uses gcd for heals means they don't use gcd for aoe thus leading to longer pull => more incoming damage => more eels.
Besides, whm is really the worst example to use here as it's quite literally holy spam with 0 damage taken

By no means i'm an expert healer, far from it (more of a dps player). I did level sage exclusively via dungeons, and the only time i was forced to gcd heal spam was the last pull in mt gulag.
Clearly, even if i can manage, the vast majority of players can too

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

SGE is a 'barrier healer'.

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I actually (sort of) disagree; I feel like sage is almost more a mitigation healer than strictly a barrier/shield healer. I grant the difference is largely academic, since shields are a form of mitigation, but still.

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Originally Posted by Endariel

If you need gcd heals on a healer, with all due respect, git gud

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This isn't honestly quite accurate.

WHM relies quite heavily on GCD healing; all the lily spells are on the GCD, albeit with instant cast times. WHM actually only has like three actual immediate heals that are oGCD: Tetragrammaton, Benediction, and Assize... and of those, Assize is really more of a damage ability with a healing side effect. If you count delayed healing or heal-over-time, you add the lilybell, Asylum, and Plenary Indulgence's Confession buff to the list of oGCD options.

If you didn't use GCD spells -- i.e., the lilies (and also Regen) -- at all, you'd potentially be in a bad way on WHM. (Also if you didn't use lilies you'd never get to use the Blood Lily, so...)

Similarly, I'd argue that sage can get a lot of use out of Eukrasian Diagnosis, which is the basic single-target shield -- and also on the GCD, albeit instant-cast once you have Eukrasia up. Not necessarily for healing, mind you -- Addersgall stuff is way more efficient -- but because breaking the Eukrasian Diagnosis shield gives you an Addersting charge to do more damage with.

I feel like the key isn't "never use GCD heals", but rather to know which GCD heals you should be using. If you're at endgame and are constantly using GCD spells with an MP cost and a cast time, then potentially either something truly dire has happened, or you have room to grow in terms of learning to best utilize your healing kit.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Meh, nevermind. I think this is another troll thread, based on things I see on a certain site people love to hate.

People should find something better to do than troll the OF. Seriously.

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they've cleared savage and ultimate, they're just shitposting

please stop responding to the thread and let it die, everyone, you don't have to add your two cents because everything that's been needed to be said has been said

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Originally Posted by Escalon

Its not flawed, Kardion is for Sages what Fairies are for SCH, Regen for WHM and Aspected Benefic is for AST.

Its literally just there to off heal the Tank while you are dps on a Boss.

For Trash pulls, if you rely on Kardion to heal the Tank, you should reconsider playing this class.

Your main source for healing during trash pulls is Eukrasian Diagnosis with Druochloe and depending on the Tank, a HoT

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First of let me say that I love SGE and I personally don't suggest here anything.

You said for trash pulls if you rely on Kardion to heal...

But isn't this just what the OP implies here? 3 other healers can dps or heal and get the benefit of their "Kardion" while SGE can't.

Now my personal stance. I think it's pretty much poor man's gimmick. Interesting idea nonetheless, maybe new traits in the next expansion let us apply it more than once.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Not necessarily for healing, mind you -- Addersgall stuff is way more efficient -- but because breaking the Eukrasian Diagnosis shield gives you an Addersting charge to do more damage with.

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Toxicon is the same potency as dosis hence dps neutral at best.

But since you used a gcd barrier, now it's dps negative.
I do agree that it has it obviously has its use for movement involving mechanics, but phlegma is already doing a great job at it

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I feel like the key isn't "never use GCD heals", but rather to know which GCD heals you should be using

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Not really which, but rather when. For example during boss transitions