One player owning multiple houses

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Originally Posted by Serenitey

Multiple ones I do not even mind it is the FCs that purchase whole wards on a congested server that bothers me. Im sure many will say that is fair etc but if its a congested server and these homes are never being used, really what do you need more than 6 for?

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Some of these ward owners who purchased wards, did not do so when the servers were congested.

Taking servers like Mateus and Spriggan as examples. These servers had houses rotting away at max devaluation prices for months.

SE even gave incentives for people to transfer to new servers.

It's only years later, these servers became popular.

It's like coming to a BBQ party 10 hours later and asking why is there no food?

Man imagine if they just made instanced housing instead of this archaic mess.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

It's like coming to a BBQ party 10 hours later and asking why is there no food?

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lol No it isnt... unless the people are sleeping at the party. XD Most of these full bought wards arent USED at all. How do I know? Well I don't for ALL but on one a friend of mine owns a house in a ward that has only 3 other user houses the rest are all fc, and we have been there hours at a time and no one uses them. Seriously unless you are just a troll trying to argue why would a WHOLE ward be necessary to own?

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Originally Posted by Serenitey

lol No it isnt... unless the people are sleeping at the party. XD Most of these full bought wards arent USED at all. How do I know? Well I don't for ALL but on one a friend of mine owns a house in a ward that has only 3 other user houses the rest are all fc, and we have been there hours at a time and no one uses them. Seriously unless you are just a troll trying to argue why would a WHOLE ward be necessary to own?

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What makes you so certain they are not used at all? I'm fairly certain your friends aren't on a stakeout watching all of those houses 24/7 every day of the year. That those houses are retained during periods when demolition is not suspended indicates they're getting used in some way. If they weren't they'd be getting demolished.

A lot of houses are purchased solely for workshop access. The player goes in and goes straight to the workshop then leaves via teleport or log out. It could be very easy to miss the 5 seconds they're standing outside their house. SE requiring FCs to own a house for workshop access is another issue but it doesn't change that otherwise apparently empty houses are being used for that purpose.

This thread is turning into whether or not it's morally acceptable to subscribe simply to keep your house and to that I say yes. In fact I've done it for a year and I know many others who have. It's part of the subscription you pay and there's nothing wrong with that. I shouldn't be penalized for taking a break and had to pay a premium to retain the 200mil gil I invested into furniture and other things for the house (at the time). There's no recovering your items either if you go away too long and you can say good-bye to your mogstation items as well. It's a poorly made system, they know of this and they are trying to remedy it one step at a time. Hopefully everyone will be able to have their own house like old times but it is what it is and I would recommend anyone who doesn't want to lose their house and items to remain subscribed and login once a month to prevent the demolition.

Now for those people who bought like half a dozen houses, it was in their right long ago to do so and are grandfathered in. They can't move to ishgard if they wanted to, they are stuck with what they have unless they relinquish all their houses presumably. It's it morally right? I don't know, they paid their sub and it was their right to do so. It wasn't until the first exodus when housing became a bit hard to find and by the second exodus back in June, it's next to impossible unless you get really lucky. Would you really relinquish your land if you had a few plots? Probably not because you can't do that anymore.

They will have islands, maybe housing in those islands. I wouldn't worry too much about housing yet since ishgard is coming in a few weeks too.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

What makes you so certain they are not used at all? I'm fairly certain your friends aren't on a stakeout watching all of those houses 24/7 every day of the year. That those houses are retained during periods when demolition is not suspended indicates they're getting used in some way. If they weren't they'd be getting demolished.

A lot of houses are purchased solely for workshop access. The player goes in and goes straight to the workshop then leaves via teleport or log out. It could be very easy to miss the 5 seconds they're standing outside their house. SE requiring FCs to own a house for workshop access is another issue but it doesn't change that otherwise apparently empty houses are being used for that purpose.

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I'll take the Spriggan example in Goblet and now spreading in Mist (via a RMT service no less but that's another topic and I can't link anything here) :

You have one single individual, who's clearly rich, has multiple upon multiple characters and accounts. Owning the 2 divisions in a Goblet ward, every single plot. Spreading even now in other wards, Mist and probably other locations I didn't bothered to look at.
That individual likes to present her actions as : I like to decorate. Which is fine, but this is really really pushing it in a market that has extremely low offers and massive demands. All this happens, mostly because that person has the wallet for it and why SE is not going to take any action. All the person has to do, is have a notebook/excel file and visit each house like every week-end to refresh the timers. Virtual money or fees is nothing to them, let alone having multiple subs on multiple accounts.

We had a similar case in WoW with multiboxing and abuses, for once (granted it took ages), Blizzard nuked it. Only good deed they've done in recent memory.

And you know what's funny ? Hardly any visitors to these places. Just a few screenshots for Instagram/Twitter and Discord (where it's specified no RMT but you dwell in it, hypocrisy at it's finest). I just finished decorating my garden and I've already had people checking it out. These plot hoarders either do it for RMT or selfish reasons (in my example, someone with a deep wallet and wanting multiple houses to decorate and showcase on social media).

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

I'll take the Spriggan example in Goblet and now spreading in Mist (via a RMT service no less but that's another topic and I can't link anything here) :

You have one single individual, who's clearly rich, has multiple upon multiple characters and accounts. Owning the 2 divisions in a Goblet ward, every single plot. Spreading even now in other wards, Mist and probably other locations I didn't bothered to look at.
That individual likes to present her actions as : I like to decorate. Which is fine, but this is really really pushing it in a market that has extremely low offers and massive demands. All this happens, mostly because that person has the wallet for it and why SE is not going to take any action. All the person has to do, is have a notebook/excel file and visit each house like every week-end to refresh the timers. Virtual money or fees is nothing to them, let alone having multiple subs on multiple accounts.

We had a similar case in WoW with multiboxing and abuses, for once (granted it took ages), Blizzard nuked it. Only good deed they've done in recent memory.

And you know what's funny ? Hardly any visitors to these places. Just a few screenshots for Instagram/Twitter and Discord (where it's specified no RMT but you dwell in it, hypocrisy at it's finest). I just finished decorating my garden and I've already had people checking it out. These plot hoarders either do it for RMT or selfish reasons (in my example, someone with a deep wallet and wanting multiple houses to decorate and showcase on social media).

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Oh, I don't dispute that a lot of the multiple plot ownership is due to greed or other reasons not healthy for content that has a limit on participation.

I was just making the point that someone not seeing a house being used doesn't automatically mean the house is not getting used. In your examples, those houses are getting used even if not for reasons that other players agree are good reasons.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

I'll take the Spriggan example in Goblet and now spreading in Mist (via a RMT service no less but that's another topic and I can't link anything here) :

You have one single individual, who's clearly rich, has multiple upon multiple characters and accounts. Owning the 2 divisions in a Goblet ward, every single plot. Spreading even now in other wards, Mist and probably other locations I didn't bothered to look at.
That individual likes to present her actions as : I like to decorate. Which is fine, but this is really really pushing it in a market that has extremely low offers and massive demands. All this happens, mostly because that person has the wallet for it and why SE is not going to take any action. All the person has to do, is have a notebook/excel file and visit each house like every week-end to refresh the timers. Virtual money or fees is nothing to them, let alone having multiple subs on multiple accounts.

We had a similar case in WoW with multiboxing and abuses, for once (granted it took ages), Blizzard nuked it. Only good deed they've done in recent memory.

And you know what's funny ? Hardly any visitors to these places. Just a few screenshots for Instagram/Twitter and Discord (where it's specified no RMT but you dwell in it, hypocrisy at it's finest). I just finished decorating my garden and I've already had people checking it out. These plot hoarders either do it for RMT or selfish reasons (in my example, someone with a deep wallet and wanting multiple houses to decorate and showcase on social media).

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Wouldnt even bet on RMT. Yeah sure there a few who just want to get a quick buck.

Most Multiowners simply dont know what else to do with their wealth. If you played FFXIV long enough (and I'm not talking about 24/7 or patchday crafting or playing) just playing the game it would be easy as nowhere else in any other MMO to accumulate a decent wealth. And if you didnt flush it down for glamour or for cute catgirls in Limsa a few hundred million gil on the side is no curiosity ingame after a few years of playing. What else can they spend their gil on? The cheap 25 or 50 Million Mounts? They dont serve of a Gilsink for rich Players. Not even close.

Its just to easy to go to a random Houseowner and asking them "Here xx Million. Mind to sell your FC/House"? And funny thing is you dont want to know how often you get the answer "Sure why not" because they want to get rid of the burden to keep a sub for the house, werent invested enough to begin with etc.

And in the case of the certain Spriggan Ward. No one gave a fuck for this server for month or didnt even spend a second for a thought about a world transfer. Those people simply have no right to be offended because they didnt took the opportunity to do the same. So as long the TOS or the General Housing Rules isnt violated we are not allowed to prented how others play Final Fantasy. And if they want to pay for more then one account we should let them. Square would be stupid to cut off income. If we like it or not.

They should remove the blue side quest icons for residential area unlocks, most players do not have access to the function...

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Originally Posted by LitheSuxman

They should remove the blue side quest icons for residential area unlocks, most players do not have access to the function...

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They do, most of people would have access to FC and FC room.