Dear SquareEnix/Natsuko Ishikawa - About Zenos in Endwalker *MAJOR MSQ SPOILERS*!

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

It's not over for Zenos. What is the "Bargain" he struck? I'm sure it wasn't "Let me gorge on the mother crystal and I'll save your WoL". And the way he was just left there. It feels like he'll be back but a different person tbh.

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May I ask you what you think that bargain Zenos struck was really about?

I do want him to come back as some sort of anti-hero. I liked Zenos, and I want things to go forward, but not by removing him from everything and leaving him dead.
Like, I want him to get development. I didn't care about him until Endwalker, but then I was like "huh, he's actually a pretty cool character for an anti-hero rival sort of thing".

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Originally Posted by NyannCat

I do want him to come back as some sort of anti-hero. I liked Zenos, and I want things to go forward, but not by removing him from everything and leaving him dead.
Like, I want him to get development. I didn't care about him until Endwalker, but then I was like "huh, he's actually a pretty cool character for an anti-hero rival sort of thing".

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I'd kinda like to see him in an anti-hero role more often now that you mention it. Kinda like a Vegeta complex.

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Originally Posted by Elysidelphi

May I ask you what you think that bargain Zenos struck was really about?

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I'm pretty sure it was honestly as simple as "I'll help save the universe with your WoL, if you give me a chance to fight him."

As much as I enjoy Zenos as a foil, he's an extremely simple character. He cares for nothing other than bloodshed and fighting someone who could kill him. The fight was really just a kill or be killed moment. And Zenos died. He fought, and he died doing what he loved, and died at the hands of someone whom he thought his equal (or even, at the end, greater than him. I'm sure he knew he was going to die.)

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

No thanks, he served his purpose as foil to the main character and had a satisfying exit. To undo this and try to cram a redemption arc would absolutely ruin his whole point for even existing, plus it's nice when a story (especially a JRPG) reminds us that not everyone is redeemable which is just a fact of life.

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Except Scions, right?

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Except Scions, right?

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If you can tell me the genocide they perpetrated or what puts them on the same scale of villainy as him, we can have that discussion.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

If you can tell me the genocide they perpetrated or what puts them on the same scale of villainy as him, we can have that discussion.

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So they deserve to come back time and time again just because they are the "good guys"?

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So they deserve to come back time and time again just because they are the "good guys"?

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Not going to answer then? That's fine.

Being charitable however, if what you're actually trying to ask if why they get to live on in the story while he doesn't then refer to my first post in this thread that he has served his purpose and can finally rest as a plot device.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So they deserve to come back time and time again just because they are the "good guys"?

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I'm pretty sure this does not really apply there : SilverObi was talking about "redemption", not "Extra life for the sake of it".

There's no way, with everything he's done that Zenos could get away like that. He is not redeemable. They already did that with Gaius in a way, although Zenos is yet at another higher level

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Originally Posted by Senn

I'd kinda like to see him in an anti-hero role more often now that you mention it. Kinda like a Vegeta complex.

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Now that I think about it Zenos is just like Vegeta. Originally Vegeta was only interested in his rivalry with Goku and afterwards found more things to care about.