So... Is Lahabrea REALLY dead-dead?

I'm hoping he's gone, because dragging him back three expansions later feels like an ass pull. We don't need another Zenos refusing to die.

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Originally Posted by ApprenticeSmithy

Just throwing in a random idea here, but Lahabrea's involvement could be a reference to FF2.

To wit, Lahabrea's sigil is that of Mateus, the Corrupt, an Esper from FF12, albeit upside-down. This Esper in itself is actually a homage to the main bad guy of FF2, the Emperor, and is even named after him.

My theory is that Lahabrea, whether it be the orignal or some shard, or perhaps even one of his minions, will have retreated into this Pandaemonium and taken over it, becoming it's 'emperor' as it were. Perhaps for revenge against the warrior of light, luring them in to try and trap them there forever, or perhaps in one last ditch effort tries to spread chaos over the source again. Either way, I'm guessing he will be the last boss of the raid.

(If I don't hear any FF2 music in the raid i will be sad X'D)

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Me too! II doesn't get enough love. It's one of my favorites. And it would be really cool if they did a Dawn of Souls homage and we had to spit the raid to kill the Light/Dark half at the same time.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Me too! II doesn't get enough love. It's one of my favorites. And it would be really cool if they did a Dawn of Souls homage and we had to spit the raid to kill the Light/Dark half at the same time.

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Oh god, please, nothing but another 'first boss(es) of Castrum Lacus Litore'.

It's kind of wild how all 3 of the unsundered could reasonably be alive.

Lahabrea was not trapped in auracite before being destroyed, but perhaps was able to reside in the eye.
Emet-Selch broke his auracite prison moments before death, and could theoretically have fled to the void.
Elidibus was imprisoned in an aether receptacle (CT) but was not then destroyed with a concentrated blast of aether.

I lean strongly towards Elidibus being very much alive, though not the other two.

I mean Emet-Selch literally lingers to talk to us, and then shows up again in 5.3. Also he has unusual mastery over the Lifestream. I think he's 'dead' but also expect him to show up again in EW, temporarily. I think he chose to 'die'.
Elidibus could theoretically return but idk if they will go there.
Lahabrea is the big question mark.

Yeah, the life stream certainly throws a wrench into definitions of dead. How different is returning to the void versus the lifesteam for an Ascian? Especially if we’re going where I think we’re going in EW.

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Originally Posted by filkry

Yeah, the life stream certainly throws a wrench into definitions of dead. How different is returning to the void versus the lifesteam for an Ascian? Especially if we’re going where I think we’re going in EW.

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for most Ascians I think ending up in the Lifestream is game over (for that version of them in the case of the Sundered) but Emet-Selch is named after the God of the Underworld for a REASON.

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Originally Posted by atheistcanuck

Managed to track it down: https://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fanta...ringers-ending

Incidentally, she compares what happened to Lahabrea to what happened with Hades and Hades showed up again in 5.3 so....

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This is interesting! Thank you for the link.

What she is describing with the Eye is definitely a retcon. The death of Lahabrea has been referred to by both Emet-Selch and Elidibus in light of the permanent and irreversible death of Nabriales. If he was merely trapped in an auracite (or in this case, the Eye) they would not have said the various things they said about his demise, or spoke of him with such finality and regret.

This makes me think a pretty crazy idea. This actually explains some things I had been wondering about...

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Originally Posted by atheistcanuck

for most Ascians I think ending up in the Lifestream is game over (for that version of them in the case of the Sundered) but Emet-Selch is named after the God of the Underworld for a REASON.

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Except we know that there is also rebirth after entering the lifestream. It's the same soul, lacking memories but those can be restored.

I wonder how many people are catching the significance of Emet's voiceover in the launch trailer when he says "Treasure every moment, every step of your descent, and there in the depths where souls and stars rest, find your truth." He's not talking about stars in the sky (we would have to ascend to find those, not descend). He's probably talking about preserved memories, like those we collected in Amaurot in 5.3.

Also may pay to remember that those collected stars (except Azem's) were gathered up by Elidibus at the end and appeared to be drawn with him into the Tower. I don't think that's pertinent to 6.0 but it may be important to story in the future.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

This is interesting! Thank you for the link.

What she is describing with the Eye is definitely a retcon. The death of Lahabrea has been referred to by both Emet-Selch and Elidibus in light of the permanent and irreversible death of Nabriales. If he was merely trapped in an auracite (or in this case, the Eye) they would not have said the various things they said about his demise, or spoke of him with such finality and regret.

This makes me think a pretty crazy idea. This actually explains some things I had been wondering about...

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It's not necessarily a retcon.

From their perspective, he disappeared. I don't think they know what exactly transpired there. His "final" death might have been an assumption on their part when he did not reappear. It could be that the amount of aether concentrated within the Eye was so vast that Emet wouldn't be able to sense Lahabrea's soul within it. Elidibus wouldn't know either way, he was not sensitive to souls. He would rely on what Emet told him.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Except we know that there is also rebirth after entering the lifestream. It's the same soul, lacking memories but those can be restored.

I wonder how many people are catching the significance of Emet's voiceover in the launch trailer when he says "Treasure every moment, every step of your descent, and there in the depths where souls and stars rest, find your truth." He's not talking about stars in the sky (we would have to ascend to find those, not descend). He's probably talking about preserved memories, like those we collected in Amaurot in 5.3.

Also may pay to remember that those collected stars (except Azem's) were gathered up by Elidibus at the end and appeared to be drawn with him into the Tower. I don't think that's pertinent to 6.0 but it may be important to story in the future.

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I think his voiceover is specifically referring to us going into the aetherial sea/lifestream. Especially since the preceding lines talk about how everything comes to an end. I admit the stars part requires a little new lore or malleability to fit it (do stars go to the lifestream when they die? perhaps the rejoined shards' aether used it as a conduit to the source?). But otherwise, the VO fits a journey into the aetherial sea.

I think this is also the true meaning of "Endwalker". When taken in the context of the launch trailer VO, we will literally be walking where all things go when they end.

Plenty of opportunity for writers to punch us in the feelings with the resting souls of our departed friends and enemies (Lahabrea included?) there, as well.