Small rant about certain toxic WoW refugee behaviour

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

No need to bring WoW into it at all. You're having problems with another human, full stop. Whether or not they played WoW in the past is as significant as their favorite flavor of ice cream or their race.

Change your title and see the effect. It's the same problem media has these days, and it's bad. What do I mean?

"MAN CALLS POLICE ON OTHER MAN LOITERING IN THE PARK" - Not sensational. Who gives a crap if a man called the cops on another man? No one. But...
"WHITE MAN CALLS POLICE ON BLACK MAN LOITERING IN THE PARK" - Now it's sensational. Now the title insinuates racism. Nevermind that white and black interact all day every day, and sometimes that interaction will be to call the police. This is an attempt to sensationalize, fearmonger, and sell papers / website subs.

Okay now.

"Small rant about certain player behaviour" - Not sensational. Players interact all day, every day and sometimes the interaction will be negative. Normal. Standard.
"Small rant about certain toxic WoW refugee behaviour". - Sensationalism. See previous.

No one cares what game they played before, smart people see the attempt to paint WoW in a bad light via the 'sensational headline'. And if you look at media headlines and actually let the irrelevant, sensational parts affect your opinion of other humans... that ain't good.

Human interacts with human. Not 'WoW-playing XYZ human interacts with FFXIV-playing ABCDEFG human.' None of that other stuff matters.

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One can absolutely bring WoW into the equation when the offender brought up WoW. Also the WoW community is a toxic cesspool. It is one of the absolute worst communities I have ever been a part of. Stop defending it. They don't deserve a defense.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

One can absolutely bring WoW into the equation when the offender brought up WoW. Also the WoW community is a toxic cesspool. It is one of the absolute worst communities I have ever been a part of. Stop defending it. They don't deserve a defense.

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I can say the same about this community. It’s just a different kind of toxicity lmao.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I can say the same about this community. It’s just a different kind of toxicity lmao.

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Whatever makes you sleep at night. There is no comparison. The WoW community is as toxic and disrespectful as the company that runs their game.

In my experience I've found that there's elements of FFXIV's community that are far more 'toxic' than anything I encountered back when I played WoW. It's a special breed of toxicity, often rooted in perceived moral superiority and immense passive aggression. An approach to avoid agreeing to disagree but to demand that absolutely everybody thinks and feels the same way as they do. Even in regards to liking or disliking some of the game's fictional characters. Such individuals are often prone to excessive narrative control, gaslighting and weaponising the terms of service against those they see as having slighted them somehow.

I don't think it's fair to tarnish any game's community as being utterly without redeeming qualities. There's good and bad elements in every game's community after all.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In my experience I've found that there's elements of FFXIV's community that are far more 'toxic' than anything I encountered back when I played WoW. It's a special breed of toxicity, often rooted in perceived moral superiority and immense passive aggression. An approach to avoid agreeing to disagree but to demand that absolutely everybody thinks and feels the same way as they do. Even in regards to liking or disliking some of the game's fictional characters. Such individuals are often prone to excessive narrative control, gaslighting and weaponising the terms of service against those they see as having slighted them somehow.

I don't think it's fair to tarnish any game's community as being utterly without redeeming qualities. There's good and bad elements in every game's community after all.

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You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community. I have experienced all of the above constantly interacting with the WoW "community". You want to defend that more power to you.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community. I have experienced all of the above constantly interacting with the WoW "community". You want to defend that more power to you.

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If you want i can point you to the Scottzone situation where the man has his address doxxed and had death threats sent to him by people in our wonderful community.All because he said the raids are so good there should be more.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community. I have experienced all of the above constantly interacting with the WoW "community". You want to defend that more power to you.

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you're playing on crystal, the datacenter with the most drama due to the RP nature, drama that results in people making google docs about exposing offenders for various reasons ranging from gaslighting, genuine transphobia, racism, lying to make hundreds of people hate someone and even succeeding, organized bullying by FCs or groups of people against a single person by ways of making multiple alts, and say you've never ever seen any of that?
even I have seen some of those, years before I even thought about giving XIV a try

Again? This kind of thread?

When do you think we'll get a megathread to compile all the "WoW this WoW that!!"? Lmao

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community.

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I've been playing for a long long time with multiple characters and I agree with you. There is certainly an element that likes to promote this as common place but it isn't and that includes from WoW players.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I've been playing for a long long time with multiple characters and I agree with you. There is certainly element that likes to promote this as common place but it isn't.

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What 'certain element' would that be, out of curiosity?

Have you spoken with such 'certain elements' to learn what they themselves have experienced?

Furthermore, just because someone doesn't experience anything negative themselves it does not mean that other players have that same luxury.