MNK Fists Removal

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

They need to be on your bar to be used regardless though. That's three spots taken on your bar for no real reason at this point.

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Except, the thing about skills like that, assuming this is at all relevant because you're somehow unable to use cross-hotbars or more than a single modifier key, is that you could just... not put them on your hotbar, all without removing a feature.

Take Peloton or Sleep, for instance. Zero 8-man combat value. Must we remove those as well just because you can't bother to bind more than some 20 hotbar spaces?

And in Monk's case the last thing we need is the just-barely-not-situational BS that let to the clunk of Anatman openers and the like, which is about the only historically likely candidate we have for filling those 2 spaces (FoF can be traited and FoE and FoW each made 5% damage reductions, of course).

Just make all three fists into permanent traits. MNK and NIN can be the speedy melee.

Fists of Earth to help your healer was a minor help back in Heavensward when weakness and brink of death lowered all your stats and your max health, but today, it really doesn't help your healer. They plan out their heals based off doing the same thing for the monk as for every other DPS in the team. So you just end up contributing to them over healing if you swap over to fists of earth.

Fists of Wind, I've tested this against other movement skills. The ninja passive movement trait, at least at the time I tested it, still has them moving faster than a monk under fists of wind, and both are slower than a player under the effect of peleton or sprint. If the movement speed were more noticeable, I'd miss it. But as it currently is, the increase is barely noticeable.

I'm not going to miss them, I only have had fists of fire on my bar since the removal of Greased Lightning, and prior to that only had fire and wind on my bar because of how you'd need to dance between the two stances to build up the stacks.

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Originally Posted by Pyitoechito

Just make all three fists into permanent traits. MNK and NIN can be the speedy melee.

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FoE as a trait would be kinda OP and potentially allow Monks to cheese certain mechanics with no downside. Eden Savage already had a couple of mechanics in some fights that a Monk with FoE & RoE + TBN could essentially ignore to gain 2+ GCDs, even during early prog - doesn't sound like much but it creates imbalance within the role.
FoF and FoW could easily be traits though, agreed.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The ninja passive movement trait, at least at the time I tested it, still has them moving faster than a monk under fists of wind

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Nope, they're exactly the same and always have been, this has been tested multiple times over the years.

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Originally Posted by Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai

Monk is a Monk, not a Elemental Brawler.

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Tbf, that's a quirk of the English (and French) localization. The Japanese terms for each are the 金剛、疾風、 and 紅蓮 の構え, i.e., the stance of the unbreakable (or, unbreakable substance/metal, as per diamond or adamantine), gales, and the lotus (albeit the crimson lotus, reminiscent of power, excessive or effusive energy, and indirectly of the 7 chakras), respectively. They're clearly intended, there, as martial art stances / methods, rather than shamanistic elemental evocation. (The German, meanwhile, uses "aura", which is at least a bit less "magi-fists".)