I hate expert crafting

If your crafting system results in macros being used most of the time, that's a flaw in your system. People aren't crafting because they want to, but because they feel that they have to. Especially with how easily crafters make Gil.

I don't know a single average non crafter that's swimming in tens to hundreds of millions of gil, but I know crafters that are, and whenever asked how to make money, the response is "it's so easy! Coffee biscuits!"

It makes me hate omnicrafters. Smugness. Makes me ill.

But yeah, if people are macroing your crafting, there's a flaw with the system.

As for solutions, well, they could try blacklisting crafter actions from the macro syntax. That'd break them all right there.

who actually enjoys crafting in any video game?
this game probably has one of the best crafting systems ive come across but thats not saying much.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

As an omnicrafter who also has the Skybuilder version, I'm curious how you don't realize that these relics are better than the penta-meleded Aesthete's? Unless I'm missing something, that seems to qualify as something more than "personal achievements".

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Because the Skybuilder weapon is a relic which is a personal achievement thing. I have one skybuilder weapon, for my BSM, however I can craft HQ 4 star items with all of my crafters just fine without it. The ONLY thing having the skybuilder tool for my BSM helps me with is, wait for it, Expert crafting.

Oh jeez, the Skybuilder tools were just annoying. Going 33 steps without a single Pliant. There is definitely far too much RNG.

Having events that you need to react to isn't a bad thing. That's one thing I enjoyed about EQII's crafting. But they algorithm for the RNG is far too random. And they would benefit from boosts for reacting to the events, maybe something like successfully reacting to one increases the likelihood of the next, etc. Just something more interactive and intriguing.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

who actually enjoys crafting in any video game?
this game probably has one of the best crafting systems ive come across but thats not saying much.

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I see you have a deep obession with the word pigzig *whips out pad and pen* So when did you first become attach to this word.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

who actually enjoys crafting in any video game?
this game probably has one of the best crafting systems ive come across but thats not saying much.

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First thing I do in any MMO is look for the tradeskill system. I've crafted more in this game than any other activity combined. I also enjoy it when it's included in single player games, too.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I see you have a deep obession with the word pigzig *whips out pad and pen* So when did you first become attach to this word.

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made it up as a kid when my cousin stole "zugbop" and I needed a new name
im 31 now

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

Because the Skybuilder weapon is a relic which is a personal achievement thing. I have one skybuilder weapon, for my BSM, however I can craft HQ 4 star items with all of my crafters just fine without it. The ONLY thing having the skybuilder tool for my BSM helps me with is, wait for it, Expert crafting.

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So you admit it's better than penta-melded, which by definition is, wait for it, more than just a personal achievement. That's like saying you wouldn't take raid drops because you can get the same ilevel gear with tomes, even though most classes use a combination for the best itemization.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

To much RNG and can never get the quality built up due to it. I seen some macros that almost let you get the minimum quality possibly. If I may ask who can I blame for this hot mess lol. Couldn't leave well enough alone

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SE did come out and say that expert recipes would be difficult, and that they didn't want players to be able to just use a macro.

The crafters who were already taking on the starred recipes situationally are the players that are far more adept to take on the expert recipes. A big reason for this is because they don't use macros. Because they don't use macros, they also don't go online looking for them; nor do they drive themselves up the wall fighting with RNG to pentameld all their gear in order to qualify for said macros. The result is much easier time circumventing the various situations that happen while doing expert crafting.

If a player can go from reliably getting HQ with posted macros, to diddly squat (even losing their materials) when forced to free-craft; their system is working exactly as intended. That being said, even proficient crafters can still just get blasted with really crappy RNG. Sometimes the game simply says, "You're not maxing this one out bud. No matter what."

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Originally Posted by Menriq

As an omnicrafter who also has the Skybuilder version, I'm curious how you don't realize that these relics are better than the penta-meleded Aesthete's? Unless I'm missing something, that seems to qualify as something more than "personal achievements".

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https://i.imgur.com/Y5uM42t.jpg

Not a big difference. In fact, I stuck with my 490 melded tools because I wanted the extra control. I have more than enough crafting.