Idea to make DF raids less annoying for tanks.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Every run? I rarely see stalling happening because of tanks. Most stalling I see is because people need mechanics unrelated to tanking explained to them. And even then the stalling doesn't last long aside from week 1 and 2 of new content, which is to be expected.

Your suggestion would create problems. First of all not all encounters are tanked by only one tank. There are numerous examples of when each tank needs to tank something at the same time because it's impossible for only one tank to do it. Some fights require planned tank swaps, and sometimes a tank dcs or dies meaning another tank has to pick up the boss. Anyone who flagged themselves as OT would be putting themselves at a disadvantage in those encounters, which would mean the entire group is at a disadvantage due to OTs being essentially debuffed.

There would be more stalling due to the problems your suggestion would create. Replacing one problem with another set of problems isn't a fix. And this isn't something I think even needs a fix.

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Nothing you've said is actually an issue, though. OT could still take aggro easily off the rest of the group; only provoke would be weaker than the MTs. Can still perform tank swaps using Shirk, and OT can still OT.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

There doesn't have to be an awkward moment, just turn on tank stance and pull the boss. Whoever is holding aggro obviously is the main tank.

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That's how it's usually done.
Most tanks will simply turn on stance, someone pulls and whoever is holding aggro gets to keep it while the rest either turns stance off or neatly stacks with the current MT. The occasional aggro fight happens but changing the system as suggested would create more problems than it solves.
Splitting the queue for tanks will increase queue time even further because tanks already tend to have the longest queue and it deprives tanks of the option to step in if someone doesn't appear to know what they're doing or dc'ing.

Can't wait to read about how to make DF raids less annoying for healers.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Can't wait to read about how to make DF raids less annoying for healers.

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I can see it now. Queue either as the "Healer for only tanks" or the "Healer for only DPS." Or even, "Queue as Glare/Broil/Malefic Mage or Curebot.EXE"

May Yoshi-P have mercy on our souls if that actually happens.

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Originally Posted by Doru_Nintendan

I can see it now. Queue either as the "Healer for only tanks" or the "Healer for only DPS." Or even, "Queue as Glare/Broil/Malefic Mage or Curebot.EXE"

May Yoshi-P have mercy on our souls if that actually happens.

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Healers don't have 2 different roles in a raid, so 2 different queues wouldn't make sense.

People be really making a career as a OT just to Skip tank responsibilities and shallow dps kits, it’s all coming together

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Originally Posted by Doru_Nintendan

May Yoshi-P have mercy on our souls if that actually happens.

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Didn't they say outright that moving forward they're gonna try to have one regen healer (white mage/astro) and one shield healer (scholar/sage) get matched up in optimal conditions for random queues in 8-mans? So in a sense they DO have two separate roles, how about that. Unlike, say, tanks where they specifically went out of their way to not designate them as main tank or off tank.

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Originally Posted by Aurida

Didn't they say outright that moving forward they're gonna try to have one regen healer (white mage/astro) and one shield healer (scholar/sage) get matched up in optimal conditions for random queues in 8-mans? So in a sense they DO have two separate roles, how about that. Unlike, say, tanks where they specifically went out of their way to not designate them as main tank or off tank.

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Really? Oi, I'd rather they just let shields stack myself.

I have a better solution. Go into 8 man content expecting to tank and if the other tank fights with you over aggro, just let them have it. Or if you're better geared, you'll naturally overtake them even if they attempt voke spamming. Either way, the end result is the same.

The last thing we need is an option for tank players to essentially "hide" from their actual role. If you aren't prepared to tank, then don't queue as one.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Nothing you've said is actually an issue, though. OT could still take aggro easily off the rest of the group; only provoke would be weaker than the MTs. Can still perform tank swaps using Shirk, and OT can still OT.

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You fail to consider that if one MT dies there would be two OTs left in an alliance raid, which would land the group in the problem you're trying to fix - tanks with equally powerful provokes using it on the same target.

You also fail to consider that provoke is an excellent tool for a tank who knows what they are doing to take the boss off of a tank who does not. A boss facing the wrong way or being in the wrong place can cause a wipe. Sometimes the best thing to do is force yourself into the MT position to save the pull. And with your suggestion this sometimes would be impossible to do.