Can we get more rules on party finder

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

It undermines the achievement and difficulties that people went through if they're able to get the selfsame rewards with absolutely no effort at all. Not to mention if done in any serious gravity then it creates a negative stigma around those that have completed the content. People just generalize everyone in the same bubble, discounting any effort or struggles they went through on the specific fight. So yes, it has a degradation factor, especially if you show it off!

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But someone has gone to the effort for that player to get those things. It's not like they paid SE $100 and SE handed them a completed achievement. There was some player, or group of players, that still put in the effort.

I know the effort I put into getting something. That's enough for me. I'm not doing it in an attempt to impress others. That someone else got another player to carry them doesn't take away from what I personally did.

If you're upset because you like to show off and be a special snowflake, and feel like less of one when others have what you have?

Good.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But someone has gone to the effort for that player to get those things. It's not like they paid SE $100 and SE handed them a completed achievement. There was some player, or group of players, that still put in the effort.

I know the effort I put into getting something. That's enough for me. I'm not doing it in an attempt to impress others. That someone else got another player to carry them doesn't take away from what I personally did.

If you're upset because you like to show off and be a special snowflake, and feel like less of one when others have what you have?

Good.

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If you need someone else to log into your account for you to get something, you shouldn’t have it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If you're upset because you like to show off and be a special snowflake, and feel like less of one when others have what you have?

Good.

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Same reason people don't like mentors, people with burger king crowns are usually anything but someone you should ask advice from because a lot of people become mentors just to get a crown next to their head while not actually being that competent themselves.

Having terrible players who paid for their clear diminishes from the good ones that didn't pay for it, and having an Ultimate title just becomes another meme for people to call you incompetent and make fun of.

Sounds like “I struggled so everyone should too!” Rant.

Man, I could’ve sworn I stopped playing WoW

Probably a safe assumption that the people in here saying ignore it or that's its not hurting anyone.. is probably the people who have bought a title or something or possible the ones selling the runs.

I do agree with this because the "duty roulette" title is a cesspool in PF since they go to the top in the all category, and 99.99% of the time it has nothing to do with roulette.

If you are mislabeling content in PF, you griefing people and that should be be a report action so people will stop doing it, get a strike, ban or whatever.

It's almost like when people lied about not clearing a savage in a 2-chest party that was labeled that way, that they decided to finally implement a chest check for each time someone went in/out of the duty. To ensure that everyone was clear of the chest status of the duty, so there were no surprises after a clear.

I do feel this is an area that really needs to get checked, at least most RP listings use 'none', but there a few that like to troll the listing along with run sellers and the like.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Probably a safe assumption that the people in here saying ignore it or that's its not hurting anyone.. is probably the people who have bought a title or something or possible the ones selling the runs.

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Wouldn't be too sure on that assumption.
A lot of players just don't care (myself included).
Why should it bother me what other players do to get their content clears?
I don't really see why anyone having a specific title or mount or achievement affects anyone other than that person.
For perspective, I'm a mostly casual player that maybe does an extreme trial now and then but doesn't care much for achievements / titles.
I do collect mounts usually on the last expac's unsync trials, but wouldn't bother paying a party to get me through content I can't clear - doesn't mean I think ill of players that do that, though.

I agree that cluttering the 'duty roulette' section of PF isn't okay, and PF recruitments should use the appropriate content tag. But beyond that, I don't see anything wrong with it as long as its ingame currency for ingame services. (if it involves RMT, that should be banned of course)

You'd think YoshiP would capitalize on buyers of content who tend to want the mounts, weapons, or glam and cut the middle men out and just sell the ultimate weapon in the mogstation after a few years, lol. But alas you know there are absolutely people among your community who will buy almost everything from the mogstation, or spend money like they were drunk on let's pick a new race potions. So think about that.

Granted you'll find a few that will show off the title but the "legend btw" meme when they die is a fun factor too. If anything you know they won't be going into clear parties and the like, so it doesn't affect most people. But I can imagine if you knew someone in your community or friendship circle that bought a clear that might muddy the water on your perception of them, and so you would care. It goes both ways.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Probably a safe assumption that the people in here saying ignore it or that's its not hurting anyone.. is probably the people who have bought a title or something or possible the ones selling the runs.

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I don't think you're wrong, though there's also what I call 'passive collaborators' to consider. Individuals who claim that cheating doesn't affect them, be it due to apathy or something else.

On my end, I loathe paid clears because it means that there are less people creating legitimate groups and raid communities. I'd love to engage in high end raiding but I've had terrible luck finding other players to do it with consistently who match my schedule and goals.

Less people actively trying to clear a raid also means the development team have less incentive to develop as much PvE content as they might do if there was more demand for it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I don't think you're wrong, though there's also what I call 'passive collaborators' to consider. Individuals who claim that cheating doesn't affect them, be it due to apathy or something else.

On my end, I loathe paid clears because it means that there are less people creating legitimate groups and raid communities. I'd love to engage in high end raiding but I've had terrible luck finding other players to do it with consistently who match my schedule and goals.

Less people actively trying to clear a raid also means the development team have less incentive to develop as much PvE content as they might do if there was more demand for it.

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The people paying for clears aren't the same people that would make parties to try and get a clear. These people are only doing it because it requires little to no work on their part. If people want to be lazy let them be lazy