about announcement, personal thought

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Details of what? We get new MSQ, and raids EVERY SINGLE expansion. What "point" are you even making. We all new they would add quests, like seriously?

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The details about the story. ARR MSQ is not the same as HW MSQ. Just saying they both have MSQ is meaningless.

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Originally Posted by linayar

It's the details that matter.

We get more new job: One is a new original-themed healer job.
We get more MSQ: it's going places we never went before and, for the first time ever, .0 story will be the end of the story with .1 and the rest of the expansion being new.
We get more normal raid: It'll be original story that is supposed to tie to a familiar Ascian somehow.
We get more alliance raid: It will also be original story specifically regarding a mystery in Eorzean (Source) lore.

We get new features and changes: no belt, downscaling stats, data center travel, island sanctuary, new gold saucer content, PS5 version.

"More of the same" is just such a reductive criticism it's basically not a criticism and just stating the obvious of what we will get in the new expansion of this game that has been going on for years now. It's like criticizing that we get a level 90 enemy to face with our level 90 character in the new expansion (more of the same, just like we get to face level 80 enemies with our level 80 character).

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To be fair, the first four points in a way are just different versions of 2-5.0, and with some exceptions (the details of where we are actually going) could be applied to almost every single expansion. The features, well, the island sanctuary is cool and Ishgard housing is cool but we've known about it for a while now. There hasnt been a single 'WOW' moment. Comparing this to Shadowlands, there was a massive reveal at the trailer (which wasnt really the case in this one, we know we walking on the moon and Zenos has sadly not died yet) and to Shadowbringers, well there was the viera and the collective hopefullness of the male gender for the race and all the especulation surrounding it, plus the trailer seemed a lot more exciting and while sage seemse cool, GNB is likely a much more popular job design wise and was as far as I recall a bit more hyped. Overall, this announcement isnt 'bad', its just lackluster and empty. Its a pretty surface but without much under it

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They literally removed belt to reallocate inventory space.

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Well it was also literally a useless slot. It barley added anything, and they removed the glamour of it long ago. It was due to be removed.
And a Bonus benefit is more space.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

To be fair, the first four points in a way are just different versions of 2-5.0, and with some exceptions (the details of where we are actually going) could be applied to almost every single expansion. The features, well, the island sanctuary is cool and Ishgard housing is cool but we've known about it for a while now. There hasnt been a single 'WOW' moment. Comparing this to Shadowlands, there was a massive reveal at the trailer (which wasnt really the case in this one, we know we walking on the moon and Zenos has sadly not died yet) and to Shadowbringers, well there was the viera and the collective hopefullness of the male gender for the race and all the especulation surrounding it, plus the trailer seemed a lot more exciting and while sage seemse cool, GNB is likely a much more popular job design wise and was as far as I recall a bit more hyped. Overall, this announcement isnt 'bad', its just lackluster and empty. Its a pretty surface but without much under it

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Yeah, Shadowlands has that shock value, I guess, but doing an afterlife expansion might be over the top. Then again, people still complained about Sylvanas defeating Bolvar, so it kind of tempers that reveal.

As for Shadowbringers, we learned we'll go to another shard to prevent a calamity, great. Meanwhile, for Endwalker, we learned that we will finish the story of Hydaelyn and Zodiarc in .0, not even waiting to stretch it to .3 and we get to see what's next for .1. That's more interesting to me.

Either way, whichever reveal you find more interesting, to say it's more of the same is still too reductive. More of the same would just them saying we'll have new MSQ without even a hint of what it will be. Instead, we get the general structure of the MSQ and hints about the raid and alliance raid and other stuff. That's not mere "more of the same."

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Originally Posted by zeylos

GNB is likely a much more popular job design wise and was as far as I recall a bit more hyped.

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Gunbreaker has more hype to it because its from FFVIII. So its a familiar thing from a previous Final Fantasy being put into the MMO.
Its not so much its design, as it is Fanservice

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Originally Posted by linayar

Yeah, Shadowlands has that shock value, I guess, but doing an afterlife expansion might be over the top. Then again, people still complained about Sylvanas defeating Bolvar, so it kind of tempers that reveal.

As for Shadowbringers, we learned we'll go to another shard to prevent a calamity, great. Meanwhile, for Endwalker, we learned that we will finish the story of Hydaelyn and Zodiarc in .0, not even waiting to stretch it to .3 and we get to see what's next for .1. That's more interesting to me.

Either way, whichever reveal you find more interesting, to say it's more of the same is still too reductive. More of the same would just them saying we'll have new MSQ without even a hint of what it will be. Instead, we get the general structure of the MSQ and hints about the raid and alliance raid and other stuff. That's not mere "more of the same."

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I didnt like the Shadowlands setting at all, its incredibly absurd and makes no sense we are killing immortal, eternal dead people with not even so much as an explanation to what happens when they die there, its absolutely horrible lore wise, but I admit I was pretty hyped about the trailer. We really didnt get anythign epic in the trailer. They couldve shown Estinien or just smth, I just dont really feel like its much. Its tbh giving me Stormblood 2 vibes, but its WAY too early to make assumptions

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I didnt like the SHB setting at all, its incredibly absurd and makes no sense we are killing immortal, eternal dead people with not even so much as an explanation to what happens when they die there, its absolutely horrible lore wise, but I admit I was pretty hyped about the trailer. We really didnt get anythign epic in the trailer. They couldve shown Estinien or just smth, I just dont really feel like its much. Its tbh giving me Stormblood 2 vibes, but its WAY too early to make assumptions

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That first sentence is about Shadowlands, I suppose, SHB being Shadowbringers.

And yeah, people can be hyped about different things, but that wasn't the specific complaint I was addressing, which is not over which is more exciting as that's subjective.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

To be fair, the first four points in a way are just different versions of 2-5.0, and with some exceptions (the details of where we are actually going) could be applied to almost every single expansion.

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That's not "being fair".

Of course every expansion trailer has "a version" of the same things. So does the game as a whole. That doesn't change the fact that yesterday I had no idea what the new expansion was called or where we were going or what jobs might be introduced, and now I have seen some of those things. Those are the big things of the game to me.

If it's lacking noise and excitement from the fandom then I think it's because people collectively had better guesses of what might be coming and where we might be due to go. Last time had the whole "wait what we're going where?" surprise element of the First, and here it's more confirming people's guesses and a lot of ground has already been covered at the speculative stage. That doesn't mean it's not good and exciting to see those things confirmed, just less ramifications to discuss.

The farm sound dope. Dunno how we get time for farming when the world is burning down around us.

The removal of belts is also refreshing to hear, though the lack of any news of a glamour log is concerning when it comes to our inventory issues...

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

But Texture updates, CC revamp and engine changes...I think you were literally shooting for the moon there if you thought any of that was happening.

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But the news for the ps5 version did have a footnote with "more upgrades coming"