7.0 and Beyond: Vana'diel?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

P.S. What is the world of FFXIV actually called anyway? Hydaelyn is really a Primal, not a planet and Eorzea is a continent.

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Hydaelyn. The intro cutscene when you start a new character says "Hydaelyn-- A vibrant planet blessed by the light of the Crystal." Probably safe to assume the planet and the mother crystal share the name.

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Originally Posted by OranKells

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So to be fair, ffxi has not been wrapped up nor is there just a handful of ppl to keep the lights on and make minor bug fixes. They just launched a new story campaign in the Veracious Resurgence and they have added a handful of completely new endgame activities over the past few years, like Dynamis Divergence and Odyssey, as well as monthly updates to your dailies in ambuscade, omen and so on and the way they are completely restructuring each job, among other things. So saying there are just a couple ppl doing bug fixes and keeping the lights on is not really true.

That being said op
It has been said countless times that Vana'diel is not a shard nor is it part of Hydaelyn. Having the two merge would do a huge disservice to both games, each with their own rich lore. And since they would have to retcon a whole lot of xi lore to cram the two together it would be more of a disservice to xi since anyone who has played both games would know, xi's lore is much more rubust and fleshed out than xiv's. xi is also much more dark where xiv is very much a light and cheery game. We know that no matter how bad things get in xiv at some point something obnoxiously cute will appear to negate that. xi may have happy endings, for the most part, but is still much more reliant on consequences with fewer redemption arcs. People die, nations fall and some are left in despair. So even thematically the games do not mix.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Not really at all. The 'Shards are the previous thirteen FF game worlds' theory was debunked long ago (and ShB disproved the theory once and for beyond all doubt), the Shards are just alternate/parallel world versions of Hydaelyn where things turned out slightly differently but with the exact same races and even basic geography as the Source Hydaelyn (if the First's world map of Norvrandt and Kohlusia closely resembling Aldernard and La Noscea on the Eorzean map is anything to go by as representative of all the Shards). Sure there is some thematic similatities between Shards (or more accurately, the circumstances of Calamities which destroyed them) to respective numbered FF games, but they're not those literal FF worlds.

The First is not FFI's 'World A'. The Seventh is (or was) not FFVII's Planet. The Ninth is not Gaia/Terra. The Thirteenth was not Coccoon/Pulse before the Flood of Darkness turned it into the World of Darkness/the Void (which, ironically, are from past FF games, but not the game whose numeral that Shard was! ;)) etc. So hence the Eleventh is not Vana'diel.

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I think you might be missing what I was getting at. I'm not saying that the 13 shards are the other 13 FF worlds, but they are allusions to them, that's what I meant. I checked and the Eleventh is still an active shard, so it is possible to have allusions to FFXI for that world, just as we have had them for the First and the Thirteen.

Also to anyone wondering, the shards remaining, besides the First, are the Fourth, Eighth, Ninth, and Eleventh. In order the shards that we rejoined were, the Fifth, Twelfth, Second, Third, Sixth, Tenth, Seventh. And we know the Thirteenth is out of commission at the moment.

Give me an ffxi shard here forever :) ♥

There were originally plans to have a door that let players travel between the games in the xi moghouse, but that was when the bad xiv was in the planning stage.

Perhaps they’ve decided to revisit the idea, but this time with space travel. I wouldn’t complain, but XI needs some love before this has any potential of being an interesting crossover.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I do find it funny how it's okay for Nier Automaton to be canon in FFXIV but draw a line in the sand with FFXI even though Vana'diel and Eorzea have a lot more in common. Bottom line is if Yoshi-P changes his minde decides to make Vana'diel apart of FFXIV, they are going to do it regardless of lore, they have already done it.

https://res.cloudinary.com/lmn/image...c5e657a651.png

P.S. What is the world of FFXIV actually called anyway? Hydaelyn is really a Primal, not a planet and Eorzea is a continent.

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Canon is traditionally on a work by work basis. If another work is quoted what is quoted is part of the canon in the context it’s used, but not the entirety of the quoted work. The primary work of ffxiv canon is ffxiv itself. We should not let the devs off that hook. We saw Iroha in this world. Even if the rest of ffxi isn’t canon she is. If she isn’t then ffxiv isn’t canon to itself. When we saw Noctis he was part of this world. Whatever happens on the other side of the portal is not.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Yeah but now they're having a Voracious Resurgence. I mean it doesn't look that deep but it is new story content.

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You never know. FFXI Storys most of the time started of very Basic and got bigger later on

Crappy cross-over are what children do with their toys. A big game company like SE probably knows better.

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Originally Posted by File2ish

Hydaelyn. The intro cutscene when you start a new character says "Hydaelyn-- A vibrant planet blessed by the light of the Crystal." Probably safe to assume the planet and the mother crystal share the name.

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Yep, that is the 100% the case. They share the same name. We just hear country/region names more often than we hear "Hydaelyn".

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Originally Posted by Genz

Crappy cross-over are what children do with their toys. A big game company like SE probably knows better.

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1. FF XI

2. Dragon Quest

3. FF XIII

4. Yokai

5. Garo

6. Monster Hunter

7. Nier

SE must be run by children by your logic.

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Originally Posted by Vasch

I don't feel like typing out all the details for something that people will likely think "well that's stupid as hell," but this grew out a discussion our Free Company had and we figured we'd post our little pie-in-the-sky pipe dream for 7.0 or later.

Essentially, it seems like heading to Vana'diel for 7.0 or later expansions would be a real nice way to:
- Wrap up XI's story (we've already had the two worlds cross-over; XI's final ending story could have NPCs from XIV show up in XI, while over in XIV we're traveling to that shard).
- Discontinue service for XI (playerbase dwindling year over year) to free up resources for XIV's continued development
- Provide a potential reason for XI players to join XIV if they haven't already, and would make sense with the existing XIV lore (Shards, etc).
- Acknowledge that a lot of XIV's playerbase came from XI; it's total fanservice, but that's the point.

Announcing it would be a nice way to cap off XI's 20th anniversary in 2022 as well.

In short, it allows SE to free up server and team resources (which XIV devs always say they're lacking), would be a nice way to hook the XI playerbase and the continuing XIV playerbase after the end of the Zodiark/Hydaelyn saga, and would allow XI to still be relevant even after shutting off service.

There's already plenty of references in XIV that hint at XI, even so far as to directly hint at its existence as a shard.

I dunno. Just felt like sharing. I can break down the main points and the full discussion that led to this pipe-dream, but I'd rather hear everyone else's thoughts on the matter.

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They would never shut down 11, because it's considered a main entry in the franchise